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Old 03-15-2017, 09:55 AM   #76
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Re: Kotegaeshi, help please

Phi Truong wrote: View Post
wouldn't want to try it with the Cylon, not to mention the Borg which have been hanging out on various aiki threads saying that you can't resist and will be assimilated.

Resistance is everything

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Old 03-16-2017, 04:17 PM   #77
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Re: Kotegaeshi, help please

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I've only been training since September. So yeah I need a lot more practice time and I'll be asking my sensei for some help with it.

Any suggestions are welcome: I'm really curious to hear what other peoples experiences have been when they encounter people with strong wrists that do not bend easily.
I have always had crazy, flexible wrists which present a similar problem, so I can testify that it isn't the wrist that you want to think about. The "pain" of kotegaeshi rarely made me take ukemi. So here are a couple of ideas from my practice.

First and foremost is to think about the uke's shoulder not so much his wrist. If you look at the picture posted of O-Sensei, uke's shoulder is in the shikaku (death spot) where it is unsupported by uke's legs. That's important.

The second thing to think about is the spiral that the wrist makes and my guess is your spiral was too small. Once you have a connection to uke's shoulder through his hand, your spiral will move his shoulder off of his hip, taking his balance and starting his fall. The spiral can be vertical or horizontal, (Probably other things, too,) In other words, the connection can either dislodge uke's shoulder toward his back or draw it out in front. Your movement can help determine this. (Look where O-Sensei is in that photograph.)

Lots of good advice out there. Try it all. Wear what fits for the time being and store the rest.
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Old 03-21-2017, 08:32 AM   #78
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Re: Kotegaeshi, help please

Cameron Tarr wrote: View Post
That's an awesome picture! Thanks for that.

It definitely unbalanced him when I applied it but it was difficult to get him to go to the ground with it. I see what you're saying, but it feels so unnatural when I couldn't get that bend that I'm used to. I'll keep practicing!
Thats an interesting picture. Quick fix if in that position and the technique is not bringing them 'down'...take a short step back

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