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Old 05-08-2007, 04:23 PM   #126
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Re: "Aikido is for wusses": a response?

wow this thread has really taken off. I cant even understand half of what is said anymore. But it's great it evolved this much.
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Old 05-08-2007, 07:57 PM   #127
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Re: "Aikido is for wusses": a response?

I am not aikidoka.I am karateka.No matter, the truth is the truth.All martial arts were designed and handed down to strengthen and improve the mind and body in many ways, one way being to recognize ignorance when it appears.Your friend's opinion speaks volumes about what he has not learned.His opinion is worthless.Chances are his skills are also.




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Old 05-08-2007, 08:37 PM   #128
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You shouldn't be preoccupied with the wrist grab because there are other grabs studied: Grabs at the elbows, the shoulders, etc. So in theory, you should be able to present anything and when your partner goes for it you have him. Of course, that requires being one step ahead of your oppoent, but the relevant JKD term would be ABD, "attack by drawing" --- you bait him with a target and when he takes the bait, you apply whatever presents itself. Ideally, uke moves, nage moves, and nage does whatever he can with whatever he (or she) gets. But to get there, you do things bassackwards through the prearranged training.

So if you were to try the test again, same mindset but offer .... whatever. I think katate dori is used first because it is simple, straightforward, and the entries are least confusing.

Just my 2p.
I know all about baiting. Its just that I find it easier to do bjj or judo techniques off the bait then aikido techniques. I was explicitly trying to see if people would grab my wrists. When people grab anything else I simply keep moving and an opportunity presents itself or I get tapped out. Drawing people into my game is something I have learned without ever doing kata training for it. In the kata training I have done the techniques already have the setup. Rarely does my instructor talk about what to do to get the setup. Sometimes he will talk about how someone will attempt to counter or escape a technique thus setting up another technique. But usually he leaves that up to be worked out in sparing. Works great so far, most of us do great in competition.

I personally find it hard to learn though contrived movements, It is great for learning a single technique (like an armbar drill), but learning setups and combos that way really doesn't do it for me. I can't work my mind around all the little things that happen and I get very bored. I prefer to drill 3 or 4 related techniques, then drill with positional sparing.

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Old 05-08-2007, 09:34 PM   #129
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wow this thread has really taken off. I cant even understand half of what is said anymore. But it's great it evolved this much.
Sadly...me too .

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Old 05-09-2007, 10:30 AM   #130
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I know all about baiting. Its just that I find it easier to do bjj or judo techniques off the bait then aikido techniques .....
Ok, but how much of that is because you now do Aikido once or twice a month? As opposed to how much time spent on other things?

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I was explicitly trying to see if people would grab my wrists ....
Yep, they will. Which may explain why every self defense system worries about them.
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Old 05-09-2007, 11:22 AM   #131
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Hello
May be I miss something but would not you say that all arts depend on distance and timing?
I mean it can easily be proven from medieval fencing to krav-maga or MMA passing by French small sword or English basket hilt.
So I would say if Don finds do MMA/judo easier to do, it is probably that at the distance he is, that is the case.
Intellectually speaking we can reduce any fighting to distance and time management. And to a certain degree I would agree with Michael, Don probably moves in such way so that timing and distance is right for MMA/judo.
From my own experience and medieval wrestling book that distance is slightly "closer" for MMA/judo/medieval social wrestling, than aikido/fighting wrestling/modern close combat/self defence.

On grabbing the hands.
Well of course fighting in earnest will have a tendency to have a look at grabbing the hand, the fist thing you want to do is prevent access to his weapon and secure access to yours. Hand grab can be used as well to create a situation where using a weapon /or a punching is safe (timing) and that exposed a sensitive area.
That is not really present in sporting or social wrestling.

I do not believe however that one will automatically try to grab our hands/wrist even in a non sportive circumstance. Unless we give them a good reason to make contact with our arm (ie atemi). As long as we strike within our own space it does not really matter if we strike him and he defends or if he strikes us and we defends.

Phil
ps and would someone be kind enough to tell that bloque that as far as he is concerned those who do aikido are mister wusses.

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Old 05-09-2007, 11:34 AM   #132
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I agree, distance plays a big part. Once we are closer then arms reach I find judo a much easier thing to perform. Of course the principles I use to do this are not so much the principles my aikido instructor would want me to use. I am also more comfortable on the inside, so I tend to go from striking to clinch range rather quickly. That probably doesn't lend itself to aikido.

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Old 05-09-2007, 09:25 PM   #133
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I think that pretty much wraps this thread up. And i am glad to see that my friend was mostly wrong(those guys with the -ball attacks are a little )
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