Uchikaiten Nage

So anyone familiar with Uchikaiten Nage?
Its one of the techniques for my 6th kyu test that I just learned officially today. (With almost 6 months of training.)

Interestingly enough I have already learned Juji Nage, which isnt until around 1st Kyu. (That has been one of the 'buggers' of Aikido training for me, learning everything from 6 - 1 kyu, but not focusing on the steps needing to be taken.)

This is the first official time (though not first shown) where I learned the basic steps. Irimi, Tai Sabai, Ushiro Tenkan, Kaiten Ashi

But I found it interesting the Uchikaiten, because I havent seen it before on the net. Anyone familar with it.

Basically you start off in Ai Hanmi Katate Tori.
Nage does a similar move to that of Kote Gaeshi, but...
- left hand 'hugs' wrist as right and breaks free by pulling fingers of hand down (kind of sankyo type thing)
- left hand then reaches into palm, grabs it and pulls Uke's arm, outstretched to the side infront of Nage
- Nage then uses atemi hitting Uke in the face
- Then steps under Ukes outstreched arm (Nage still holding Ukes hand on the outstreched arm as he goes under
- then steps behind uke and starts to bring ukes outstretched arm down and twist around so that Uke falls to mat
- Nage then steps in front/toward nage making him roll over
(forgot, as Nage brings ukes arm down behind him, he uses free hand to almost Karate chop his neck to force him to the ground.

This is the one move I did not see on my aikido 3d CD.
Although non of my test requirements match this system.

Peace

dAlen

aikido 3d probably doesn't have the uchi part of the nomenclature. Apparently there is a distinction between uchi (going under the arm for kaitenage) and soto (going outside) for kaitenage. Just look up kaitenage...I'm sure they should have at least one version of it. Once you understand the basic idea, it can be applied from most if not all attacks.

Best,
Ron

Ron Tisdale wrote: aikido 3d probably doesn't have the uchi part of the nomenclature. Apparently there is a distinction between uchi (going under the arm for kaitenage) and soto (going outside) for kaitenage. Just look up kaitenage...I'm sure they should have at least one version of it. Once you understand the basic idea, it can be applied from most if not all attacks. Best, Ron

Ron, I bet your right, Ill have a look at it again.

Thanks

dAlen

lovely technique this one very fluent once you get to grips with it, one pointer I remember from a seminar I attended was during the cut down as you step backwards is think humble with the flowing cutting down movement, works well for me anyway.

We do this technique with a lot of atemi.. at least six.. and an optional hiza-ate (knee strike) just before the throw..

Justin & Cito, thanks for the comments.
- Cito, that is quite a bit of atemi indeed.
- Justin, yeah I can kind of picture what your talking about.
This is my first official time really trying it today. It seemed they wanted me to push forward, but what do I know - once I went under the arm and swung Ukes arm down, I didnt feel the flow was right anymore...however how you describe it seems to make sense and I would need to try the technique more to get the feel.

Good to know there are others doing the 'uchi'kaiten Nage.

Peace

dAlen

Dalen,
whenever I have done uchi kaiten nage (or even soto kaiten nage) I have always been told to never swing ukes arm, as you cut. Instead my instructor always relates it like cutting with a bokken or like sankyo. This is use the elbow as the control instead of the hand. Hope this makes sense to you.
wayne

Wayne, that is exactly right. You have to imagine performing the technique as if you have a sword in your hand. You can even experiment with holding a bokken as you perform uchi kaiten nage. This is called "Ken no tebiki".
I regret having to miss your Sensei's course in Bristol last Saturday. And please extend my belated congratulations on his promotion to Rokudan.

Cito

I'm sure I saw it on 'Man from UNCLE' and the Avengers.

http://www.aikidojournal.com/downloa...ia=video&id=32