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04-27-2010, 02:25 PM
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Dojo: Kiev Kondey Dojo
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Aikido philosophy and Freud's psychoanalysis philosophy
Hello everyone,
I have found here some interesting conversation on the topic of link and common issues between Aikido philosophy and Z. Freud's psychoanalysis philosophy.
Some references were made to the literature , articles etc. about the issue but I can not trace them any longer. Please join the discussion, if you have any ideas, opinion
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04-27-2010, 07:04 PM
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Dojo: Aikido of Midland
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Re: Aikido philosophy and Freud's psychoanalysis philosophy
Does that mean I'm going to have to be on the couch for ever?
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04-27-2010, 07:30 PM
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Re: Aikido philosophy and Freud's psychoanalysis philosophy
Not much a fan of Freud.
He was a bit squirrely... o_0
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04-27-2010, 08:00 PM
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Dojo: Aikido Doyukai Hong Kong
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Re: Aikido philosophy and Freud's psychoanalysis philosophy
He would have had a lot to say about waving a sword around looking for "openings".
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04-27-2010, 08:18 PM
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Re: Aikido philosophy and Freud's psychoanalysis philosophy
I have to say, in all honesty, I don't see any similarity or common ground.
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Janet Rosen
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04-27-2010, 08:33 PM
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Re: Aikido philosophy and Freud's psychoanalysis philosophy
Quote:
Janet Rosen wrote:
I have to say, in all honesty, I don't see any similarity or common ground.
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You never met an Aikidoka with a super ego?
David
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04-27-2010, 09:08 PM
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Location: Santa Fe New Mexico
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Re: Aikido philosophy and Freud's psychoanalysis philosophy
id would help if you didn't joke around.
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David Henderson
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04-28-2010, 12:03 AM
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Dojo: Kenshinkan Dojo (Aikido of North County) Vista, CA
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Re: Aikido philosophy and Freud's psychoanalysis philosophy
And sometimes a sword is just a sword.....
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Michael
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04-28-2010, 12:16 AM
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Dojo: ACE Aikido
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Re: Aikido philosophy and Freud's psychoanalysis philosophy
You'd find more in looking at Jung than Freud, unless you want to apply simple analytical personality theory to Aikido to understand motivational response patterns.... etc. Erroneous I think in the long run.
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04-28-2010, 12:26 AM
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Location: Melbourne, Victoria
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Re: Aikido philosophy and Freud's psychoanalysis philosophy
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Konstantin Yevchenko wrote:
Hello everyone,
I have found here some interesting conversation on the topic of link and common issues between Aikido philosophy and Z. Freud's psychoanalysis philosophy.
Some references were made to the literature , articles etc. about the issue but I can not trace them any longer. Please join the discussion, if you have any ideas, opinion
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Hi Konstantin, I can't say about Freud specifically, but I certainly find great commonalities between aikido and psychotherapy generally. The connection/relationship between tori/uke, the physical and psychological atemi, zanshin/awareness/presence, etc...
Well, then again, aikido's principles are meant to be universal anyway eh?
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04-28-2010, 04:48 AM
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Location: Florida Gulf coast
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Re: Aikido philosophy and Freud's psychoanalysis philosophy
I am curious about what you found.
As far as I know Freud never studied Aikido and O'Sensei never studied Freud.
But according to "string theory" its all connected.
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Lynn Seiser PhD
Yondan Aikido & FMA/JKD
We do not rise to the level of our expectations, but fall to the level of our training. Train well. KWATZ!
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04-28-2010, 04:54 AM
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Re: Aikido philosophy and Freud's psychoanalysis philosophy
I talked with my wife who is a licensed counselor and a former Aikidoka and she did not think there was a parallel with psychoanalysis and aikido. I guess it would depend on what you think the philosophy of Aikido is and how it fits in with your beliefs. O'sensei certainly attached his religious and philosophical ideas to his Aikido..
You might want to read Richard Strozzi-Heckler's book "The Anatomy of Change".
As far as using Aikido as therapy, my wife used to run children groups with a local karate school that was successful. She could have done the same with any martial art or sport.
David
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04-28-2010, 09:16 AM
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Location: Santa Fe New Mexico
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Re: Aikido philosophy and Freud's psychoanalysis philosophy
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Larry Novick wrote:
You'd find more in looking at Jung than Freud, unless you want to apply simple analytical personality theory to Aikido to understand motivational response patterns.... etc. Erroneous I think in the long run.
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Good points. Somewhere around here someone started a thread about Jung's Red Book, IIRC.
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David Henderson
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