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08-12-2007, 05:23 AM
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Dojo: Shuryukan Yoshinkai Aikido
Location: Khobar Saudi Arabia
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New breed of Aikido
They are known as the the Philippine Martial Arts Combat AIKIDO (PHIMACA).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8wR_ENzRbOs
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08-12-2007, 08:03 AM
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Location: Winchester
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Re: New breed of Aikido
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Romuel Villareal wrote:
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Don't think so...... Pretty uniforms though.... hee hee!
Too many people using the word "aikido" these days to add some sort of credibility to what they are doing..... why don't they just call it Phillippine Self Defence and leave out the "Aikido"
Tony
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08-12-2007, 08:23 AM
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Dojo: Aikido Eastside
Location: Bellevue, WA
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Re: New breed of Aikido
This has absolutely nothing to do with Aikido.
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08-12-2007, 09:09 AM
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Dojo: Nishin Kan
Location: Herzliya
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Re: New breed of Aikido
Maybe the connection is the idea of a non-resistive uke? But here he's not only non resistive, he's also non flowing, he just ceases to move after the initial strike, like he ran out of batteries.
At any rate, I wouldn't call this form of training "combat". The first particle "com" or "con" implies an interaction, and this is a one sided practice.
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08-12-2007, 09:28 AM
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Dojo: Toronto Aikikai
Location: Toronto, Canada
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Re: New breed of Aikido
I like that robot uke.
"Play dead! Roll over! Ok now hold still for a second while I finish this technique...almost there...ok now play dead again!!"
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08-12-2007, 10:09 AM
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Dojo: Zanshin Kai
Location: Birmingham
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Re: New breed of Aikido
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Roy Klein wrote:
Maybe the connection is the idea of a non-resistive uke? But here he's not only non resistive, he's also non flowing, he just ceases to move after the initial strike, like he ran out of batteries.
At any rate, I wouldn't call this form of training "combat". The first particle "com" or "con" implies an interaction, and this is a one sided practice.
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Or maybe the connection is that uke is held motionless though some kind of ki manipulation.
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08-12-2007, 10:51 AM
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Dojo: Confluence Aiki-Dojo / Santa Cruz Sword Club
Location: Santa Cruz
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Re: New breed of Aikido
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George S. Ledyard wrote:
This has absolutely nothing to do with Aikido.
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I hear chain saws grinding, see trees falling, and hear nature weezing.
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Jennifer Paige Smith
Confluence Aikido Systems
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08-12-2007, 11:53 AM
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Dojo: Dangayan Singkaw Aikido Shinzui Group Philippines
Location: Plymouth, UK
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Re: New breed of Aikido
And to think they could have learned a more realistic way of attacking with a knife from any number of Filipino Martial Arts Systems.. what a waste.. <sigh>..
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Inocencio Maramba, MD, MSc
Dangayan Singkaw Aikido Shinzui
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08-12-2007, 01:30 PM
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Dojo: Yoshin-ji Aikido of Marshall
Location: Wisconsin
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Re: New breed of Aikido
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George S. Ledyard wrote:
This has absolutely nothing to do with Aikido.
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I absolutely agree with George here. There is nothing new under the sun.
In gassho,
Mark
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08-12-2007, 03:36 PM
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Location: Orlando, FL
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Re: New breed of Aikido
Saying it's Aikido doesn't make it Aikido...
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08-12-2007, 04:19 PM
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Location: Florida Gulf coast
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Re: New breed of Aikido
IMHO, I see neither Aikido or traditional FMA.
Not a new breed.
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Lynn Seiser PhD
Yondan Aikido & FMA/JKD
We do not rise to the level of our expectations, but fall to the level of our training. Train well. KWATZ!
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08-12-2007, 05:15 PM
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Dojo: Bond St. Dojo
Location: Bronx, NY
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Re: New breed of Aikido
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Romuel Villareal wrote:
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Oh, I thought the "aiki" part was the ability to initiate an attack with a nod of the head. Why not drop "Aikido" and use a Tagalog word instead?
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08-12-2007, 06:20 PM
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Dojo: Houston Ki Aikido
Location: Houston,TX
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Re: New breed of Aikido
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Mark Uttech wrote:
I absolutely agree with George here. There is nothing new under the sun.
In gassho,
Mark
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Ditto.
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08-12-2007, 07:51 PM
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Location: Quezon City
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Re: New breed of Aikido
Its the kind of thing that give Filipino aikidoka a bad name.
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08-12-2007, 08:02 PM
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Dojo: Confluence Aiki-Dojo / Santa Cruz Sword Club
Location: Santa Cruz
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Re: New breed of Aikido
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Raul Rodrigo wrote:
Its the kind of thing that give Filipino aikidoka a bad name.
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Now, I wouldn't go that far. Bad aikido gives aikido a bad name. This is something that is different. I'm not sure exactly what it is and how the club became inclined to describe it as Aikido. But I don't think we need to worry about aikido getting a bad name. But let's practice in deep earnest ourselves this week, just to be sure.
I'm very interested in how these guys came into 'being'. And what attracts them to aikido that they would choose this name. Also, I wonder, if they were xposed to some early off shoot aikido group that isn't the o'sensei brand, if you will. Lots of intrigue. Hmmmm.
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Jennifer Paige Smith
Confluence Aikido Systems
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08-12-2007, 08:10 PM
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Location: Quezon City
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Re: New breed of Aikido
As it happens, Jennifer, I am Filipino and I do know how Combat Aikido came into being. In my country, when we say we are aikidoka, we often hasten to say "traditional, not Combat." The combat version is far better known and publicized in this country than the Aikikai. So I want to keep a clear distance between myself and this kind of thing. Cito Maramba, who is on this forum, would know what I am talking about.
R
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08-12-2007, 08:25 PM
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Dojo: Aikido of Midland
Location: Midland Texas
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Re: New breed of Aikido
Looks more like karate two steps. I'm not sure what is aiki about what they are doing. I agree with George- not aikido. Call it something else. Looks like some muay thai with the knee and elbow strikes.
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08-12-2007, 11:59 PM
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Dojo: Shuryukan Yoshinkai Aikido
Location: Khobar Saudi Arabia
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Re: New breed of Aikido
Hi Raul,
These guys dont have Gavileno's blood in their veins.
How this group came about? Please check their site www.phimaca.org
Should have titled this thread "Is this Aikido"
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08-13-2007, 03:59 PM
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Location: Australia
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Re: New breed of Aikido
Combat aikido you say?
Has someone posted this here already?
http://youtube.com/watch?v=XVbS0xHCerw
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08-13-2007, 04:16 PM
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Dojo: Aikido of Midland
Location: Midland Texas
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Re: New breed of Aikido
Still waiting for some aikido to be demonstrated. Saw some jujutsu and judo and karate so far.
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08-13-2007, 04:46 PM
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Re: New breed of Aikido
some of the strikes and avoidance look familiar, but they would look familiar in other arts as well. not really unique to Aikido.
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08-13-2007, 04:48 PM
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Location: bethlehem PA
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Re: New breed of Aikido
Looks a lot like some things I learned in my early years in Tae-Kwon-Do and Karate. Certainly not Aikido. Hey do you think it works if Nage doesn't nodd his head to let Uke know its ok to attach?
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08-13-2007, 09:43 PM
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Re: New breed of Aikido
yo! Seems like everyone is pretty much thinking the same in regards to the video. It wouldn't be so bad if they just had continuous/uninterrupted aiki-blending...I guess . Anyhoo, glad it ain't my school! Late!!
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08-13-2007, 09:58 PM
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Location: Brisbane
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Re: New breed of Aikido
Absolute piece of rubbish!
Hate to say it! Sorry if I offend!
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08-14-2007, 05:24 AM
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Dojo: Wherever I am.
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Re: New breed of Aikido
It is a lot like a style of Jujutsu I learned in the UK. It is also, a lot more like Hapkido. Not all Hapkido looks like this, but I have seen a lot that does. At a guess, they are probably doing Hapkido - the uniforms look Korean too. As Philippinos, I am sure they are aware of Arnis/Escrima and would be under no illusions. What they are doing is demo style kata techniques, that's all. They train in a similar way in Korea and while it may not look alive or real, the people doing it are about as tough as tough as tough can be - a Karate approach to Jujutsu, if you like. In that sense, they are probably more martial than the average aikidoka, in my opinion. Of course, it has nothng to do with Aikido at all - and who said it did?
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