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Old 06-10-2004, 09:50 AM   #26
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Re: Know-It-All 1st Kyu Won't Listen

Hmm...

Does it really have to be a case of one-upsmanship of giving the problematic person a "thrashing" and to "beat him up"? Personally, I wouldn't care to condone nor nurture that kind of aggressive behavior in myself nor where I practice.

I'd concentrate more on my own training than get caught up in someone else's...

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Old 06-10-2004, 10:58 AM   #27
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I was just kidding when I said beat him up. You see in Judo this kind of attitude does not last long because everyone gets beat up during randori. So when I say "beat him up" all I mean is give him some harder than usual practice to knock him out of his comfort zone.
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Old 06-10-2004, 12:28 PM   #28
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Bullies dont respect anything but force.
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Old 06-10-2004, 12:35 PM   #29
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I suppose you could always bow out to the person and respectfully refuse to train with them, they might get the message that way but if not then they might go onto purposefully hurt someone else in the dojo...
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Old 06-10-2004, 06:17 PM   #30
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Re: Know-It-All 1st Kyu Won't Listen

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I was just kidding when I said beat him up. You see in Judo this kind of attitude does not last long because everyone gets beat up during randori. So when I say "beat him up" all I mean is give him some harder than usual practice to knock him out of his comfort zone.
Randori is a great leveler isn't it? Has a habit of destroying egos.

In a kata only context the problem isn't that the bully should not be taken care of by some chastisement but who should administrate it. A junior person taking it upon themselves will only generate a very uncomfortable position for all concerned.

Michael - I figured you were kidding but a) I ran out of coffee and b) on the heels of another like minded post I felt that some who didn't know better would have taken the advise to heart. Always a danger on the forums.

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Old 06-10-2004, 06:30 PM   #31
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Bullies dont respect anything but force.
If you respond by trying to beat him up, he'll just respond with more force, and probably hurt you.
If you have Yudansha alone work with him, he'll learn that, if he beats up the Kyu ranks, he gets to work with the Yudansha, (which may be what he wants. We had someone who acted out for that reason).
The only thing some people respect is an ultimatum from the teachers. (Do that again and you're out.)

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Old 06-10-2004, 06:51 PM   #32
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I've found instead of trying to one up the person to start being more fluid and soft in your ukemi helps a lot. It will keep the "one-up-manship" from kicking in. This for me really is the opposite of someone resisting with force rather you relax and go wherever nage leads you. Of course, you don't give up your center until the nage figures out to take your balance. Also being softer in your ukemi helps you to recieve rougher throws from the nage. So its also a method of self-preservation.

You can talk to the person, too, you know. Just ask them why are they doing that. There is one nidan in my dojo who will start to resist, tighten and lock up. It appears for no reason or that he may be challenging you, but he is actually trying to point something out. I think he's used to the "you don't say anything while you train" boat. Instead of interpreting this as him being jerk I just ask him, "what are you trying to show me." He tells me, and voila! I actually learned something constructive. If I don't speak up, then I lose because I don't learn anything.

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