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01-08-2011, 01:14 PM
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Dojo: aikido-dojo-nippos
Location: Crete
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Re: Why do Aikidoka say Aikido does not work?
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Pete Lev wrote:
Yasou file.
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Yasoy kai esena
Na eisai kala!
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01-08-2011, 01:47 PM
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#102
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Re: Why do Aikidoka say Aikido does not work?
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Zach Trent wrote:
This is to say- meditate on whom you want your aikido to work- when was the last time you fought this person/group of people. Can you let go of this fantasy of getting ready to fight and simply live your life?
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Zach wins the thread....
That's why these threads don't interest me much anymore.
Katherine
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01-08-2011, 04:29 PM
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Dojo: Shoryukai, Breda (aikikai) & Aiki-Budocentrum Breda (yoseikan)
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Re: Why do Aikidoka say Aikido does not work?
I didn't start aikido expecting it to be the ultimate deadliest martial art. I've hardly ever been in a situation where I felt in serious danger of being physically harmed by aggression.
Actually, I can remember only two situations from 20 years ago when I was 18 to 20 years old and sometimes going out to places where I knew few people and where some of the locals decided I didn't belong there. In only one occasion I actually got a few hits by group of guys under the influence of drugs at a big house party. As soon as I realized my situation I ran off. I had some bruises, but that was all. I doubt that aikido or any other martial art would have helped. At best I might have kept my honor at the cost of more damage to me and others.
So self defence on the street is a very minor issue for me. I do aikido because I like it, a lot.
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01-08-2011, 08:49 PM
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#104
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Location: Winchester
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Re: Why do Aikidoka say Aikido does not work?
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Dave de Vos wrote:
I didn't start aikido expecting it to be the ultimate deadliest martial art. I've hardly ever been in a situation where I felt in serious danger of being physically harmed by aggression.
Actually, I can remember only two situations from 20 years ago when I was 18 to 20 years old and sometimes going out to places where I knew few people and where some of the locals decided I didn't belong there. In only one occasion I actually got a few hits by group of guys under the influence of drugs at a big house party. As soon as I realized my situation I ran off. I had some bruises, but that was all. I doubt that aikido or any other martial art would have helped. At best I might have kept my honor at the cost of more damage to me and others.
So self defence on the street is a very minor issue for me. I do aikido because I like it, a lot.
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Bully for you......
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01-09-2011, 06:25 AM
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#105
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Dojo: Ellis Schools of Traditional Aikido
Location: Bracknell
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Re: Why do Aikidoka say Aikido does not work?
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Attilio Anthony John Wagstaffe wrote:
Bully for you......
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Its all uphill Tony
One could always defend themselves with a stern look and challenge the assailant with a " lets see who has the best exersise routine ?"
Henry Ellis
http://aikidoarticles.blogspot.com/
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01-09-2011, 08:11 AM
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#106
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Re: Why do Aikidoka say Aikido does not work?
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Henry Ellis wrote:
Its all uphill Tony
One could always defend themselves with a stern look and challenge the assailant with a " lets see who has the best exersise routine ?"
Henry Ellis
http://aikidoarticles.blogspot.com/
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Henry,
I kinda like uphill...... its surprising how it clears the head......
I think I'm developing "ki" at last ooooohhhh!!
Tony
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01-09-2011, 12:49 PM
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#107
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Re: Why do Aikidoka say Aikido does not work?
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01-09-2011, 01:37 PM
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#108
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Dojo: Ellis Schools of Traditional Aikido
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Re: Why do Aikidoka say Aikido does not work?
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Attilio Anthony John Wagstaffe wrote:
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Ahhhhhhh the origins of Ki...breathing through the flat cap.
Henry Ellis
http://aikidoarticles.blogspot.com/
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01-09-2011, 01:42 PM
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#109
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Dojo: aikido-dojo-nippos
Location: Crete
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Re: Why do Aikidoka say Aikido does not work?
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01-09-2011, 04:22 PM
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#110
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Re: Why do Aikidoka say Aikido does not work?
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Oh ai .............ecky thump master I be....
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01-09-2011, 04:49 PM
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Re: Why do Aikidoka say Aikido does not work?
Say to yourself I am good at aikido.........Breath uuuummm uuuummm and look into the centre uuuumm uuuummmm
grab hold of your weapon and extend yourself uuuummm uuuummmm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lu3Vp...eature=related
When you awake you will be invincible.......
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01-10-2011, 05:25 AM
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Dojo: Ellis Schools of Traditional Aikido
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Re: Why do Aikidoka say Aikido does not work?
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Attilio Anthony John Wagstaffe wrote:
Say to yourself I am good at aikido.........Breath uuuummm uuuummm and look into the centre uuuumm uuuummmm
grab hold of your weapon and extend yourself uuuummm uuuummmm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lu3Vp...eature=related
When you awake you will be invincible.......
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I hope your not suggesting they are not already invincible
Henry Ellis
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01-10-2011, 08:47 AM
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Dojo: Seishin Ryoku, Jackson, Ohio
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Re: Why do Aikidoka say Aikido does not work?
I have to ask the question...if these "aikidoka" believe that aikido is ineffective, then are they truely aikidoka? And, why are they not studying an art which they believe works? Just my thought...
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01-10-2011, 09:00 AM
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Re: Why do Aikidoka say Aikido does not work?
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Todd Crabtree wrote:
I have to ask the question...if these "aikidoka" believe that aikido is ineffective, then are they truely aikidoka? And, why are they not studying an art which they believe works? Just my thought...
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'Cause as I keep saying they are all in denial......
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01-10-2011, 09:06 AM
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Re: Why do Aikidoka say Aikido does not work?
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'Spose we could hand out some ribbons to get 'em in the mood?
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01-10-2011, 09:06 AM
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Dojo: Seishin Ryoku, Jackson, Ohio
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Re: Why do Aikidoka say Aikido does not work?
That was my thought, Tony, but sometimes its good to get a little confirmation from another mind.
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01-10-2011, 10:43 AM
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Dojo: Ellis Schools of Traditional Aikido
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Re: Why do Aikidoka say Aikido does not work?
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Attilio Anthony John Wagstaffe wrote:
'Spose we could hand out some ribbons to get 'em in the mood?
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OK, if you want to get them in the mood, you get the ribbons.
I will get the music and the strobe lights.
Henry Ellis
http://rik-ellis.blogspot.com/
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01-10-2011, 11:04 AM
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#118
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Location: Winchester
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Re: Why do Aikidoka say Aikido does not work?
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I'll do Zulu warrior down to me boots and , Henry will you compère ?
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01-10-2011, 01:15 PM
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#119
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Dojo: Tampa Judo and Aikido Dojo, Tampa, Fl
Location: Tampa, Florida
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Re: Why do Aikidoka say Aikido does not work?
Why would you train hard in something that doesn't work???? I have said it before and I'll say it again that aikido works. It has worked for me in Viet Nam especially otherwise I wouldn't be here now. It worked when I was a deputy sheriff and had to take a few "bad guys" down. You will fight the way you train. You have to, if possible, to show confidence and have confidence in yourself. If you lack confidence in yourself and your abilities, then you will have nothing and I don't care how hard you train.
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01-10-2011, 01:26 PM
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#120
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Re: Why do Aikidoka say Aikido does not work?
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Phil Van Treese wrote:
Why would you train hard in something that doesn't work???? I have said it before and I'll say it again that aikido works. It has worked for me in Viet Nam especially otherwise I wouldn't be here now. It worked when I was a deputy sheriff and had to take a few "bad guys" down. You will fight the way you train. You have to, if possible, to show confidence and have confidence in yourself. If you lack confidence in yourself and your abilities, then you will have nothing and I don't care how hard you train.
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Spot on Phil.....
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01-11-2011, 12:14 PM
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#121
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Dojo: Sakumeikan N.E. Aikkai .Newcastle upon Tyne.
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Re: Why do Aikidoka say Aikido does not work?
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Attilio Anthony John Wagstaffe wrote:
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Tony,
Brilliant stuff.Mr Enfield and associates were great.Loved the Kokyu nage. Lets have more of the same.
Thanks, Joe.
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01-11-2011, 02:28 PM
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01-11-2011, 02:43 PM
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Re: Why do Aikidoka say Aikido does not work?
Real aiki... stay relaxed, move away from punches, block when close, stay centred..... take the head.... irimi
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCd5g...eature=related
Last edited by Tony Wagstaffe : 01-11-2011 at 02:49 PM.
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01-12-2011, 06:05 AM
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#124
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Dojo: Tampa Judo and Aikido Dojo, Tampa, Fl
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Re: Why do Aikidoka say Aikido does not work?
This is to answer St Matt's question to me:
I used Aikido in Viet Nam more than once. I was with the 1st Infantry Division, attached to the ROK (Republic of Korea) Tiger division in Viet Nam. While we did a lot of ground pounding, at one time my regiment had to chase and destroy a NVA brigade that was around Tay Ninh that was harassing our troops. We chased them all the way thru Cambodia, caught them in Laos and wiped them out to the last, which was our mission by the CG (Commanding General) Westmoreland. I also did extractions. If you have ever seen the "Green Berets" with John Wayne, that is pretty close to what we did. We had "Targets" that we had to bring back, DOA (dead or alive). Aikido definately saved my life over there more than once. So those people that say aikido doesn't work are not really serious about their training, have never used it or they have no confidence in their abilities.
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01-24-2011, 09:37 AM
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#125
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Dojo: Milwaukee Aikikai
Location: Wisconsin
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Re: Why do Aikidoka say Aikido does not work?
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Pete Lev wrote:
I have read hundreds of pages of threads over the last few weeks here on Aikiweb, and have noticed many threads concerning the effectiveness Aikido on the street, or against a boxer, or against a BJJ/MMA person, etc. I have also noticed Aikidoka of all levels claiming it isn't effective, or "if you're taking Aikido for self defense, you are looking in the wrong place", etc. My question is why? I mean we have many people who have never even stepped into a dojo who knock it's martial effectiveness, but why do Aikidoka who have put many hours in training, also agree?
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I have said that many times, not because I think aikido doesn't work, but because there are much more efficient ways of learning self-defense. If your only goal is self-defense, then you're better off going to a krav maga gym, where cultivating a state of mind and preserving a tradition are lower priorities than self-defense. As aikidoka, we choose to make self-defense skills only one priority among many.
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