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Old 11-27-2007, 11:49 AM   #26
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Re: We're not sure what to call him

Bingo. As usual, Jun does it proud.

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Old 11-27-2007, 02:28 PM   #27
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...just don't call him late for dinner...
hahahahahahahahahaaha

...please contact our dean of intermediate studies, Tom

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Old 11-28-2007, 06:43 AM   #28
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At a meeting the other night we were discussing titles in the dojo such as Dojo Cho etc. and came up with a new one for a student who was a very conscientious dojo cleaner.........

"Sho - janitor"

Please feel free to use this honorary title in your dojo.

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Old 11-28-2007, 07:00 AM   #29
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What's wrong with just 'Sempai'?

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Old 11-28-2007, 08:39 AM   #30
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How about Aiki-quarterback
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Old 11-28-2007, 05:26 PM   #31
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What's wrong with just 'Sempai'?
Sempai is descriptive of one half of a relationship between two people, not of an absolute position.

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Old 11-28-2007, 05:42 PM   #32
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Sempai is descriptive of one half of a relationship between two people, not of an absolute position.
Considering that the term applies to all members of the dojo except one, "sempai" isn't very helpful. And it's another one of those Japanese words that serve as jargon at best and a private language at worst. But I suppose that should be that the term applies to all members of the martial arts studio except one.

I seem to be going in the wrong direction.
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Old 11-29-2007, 06:06 AM   #33
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Sempai is descriptive of one half of a relationship between two people, not of an absolute position.
Isn't part of the problem with this whole thing the attempt to name an absolute position? Don't bother with it, put something generic and non-absolute in there . . . then tell the kyus to go see their Sempai

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Old 11-29-2007, 11:58 AM   #34
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Re: We're not sure what to call him

Is the website targeted to current students or potential students?

If it's to current students then it really doesn't matter since, as stated previously, the people who need to contact him should know what's up. If you're targeting potential/new students I think you should limit the use of Japanese, or at the very least provide a translation ie "Sensei" (head instructor). While on that subject the title of "Web kohai" seems really strange to me. Why confuse things for people visiting your site who don't know the vocabulary? If your uncomfortable with being called the "Web master" why not go with something like "Website administrator".

Just my take.

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Old 11-29-2007, 04:57 PM   #35
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Well, maybe the website started aikido before he did?

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Old 11-29-2007, 05:53 PM   #36
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Wouldn't people who would need to contact him already know his role in the dojo?
At the yoseikan hombu, we had Akahori Sensei, who handled all kinds of bureaucratic matters from collecting money and stamping payment envelopes to stamping budo "passports" and organizing various events. As far as I know he had no title for those functions. He was "just one of the shihan."

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In any case, as for the term "kyu-cho," this term just doesn't ring true for me. Although there are other terms such as "dojocho," "bucho," "kancho," and such, all of these terms contain nouns which indicate some sort of collective group (eg dojo, bu, kan). "Kyu," to me, does not have a connotation of a group and therefore sounds incongruous to my Japanese ears.
That's true. But what about something like mudansha jicho (head of mudansha matters---ji as in koto)?

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Old 11-29-2007, 05:57 PM   #37
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That's true. But what about something like mudansha jicho (head of mudansha matters---ji as in koto)?
Anyway, any title you make up, you will soon be reading about it in some magazine--how some guy's secret ninja master promoted him to kyucho, and how he was the first non-Japanese to earn that rank!

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Old 11-29-2007, 06:56 PM   #38
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If he gets a special title will he wear a special gi and have a special colored hakama and belt?

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Old 11-30-2007, 12:22 AM   #39
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That's true. But what about something like mudansha jicho (head of mudansha matters---ji as in koto)?
In order to use "cho", one must be the head of some kind of organized entity. Gakkou = school, thus, Kouchou = principal. Toshi = city, thus shichou = mayor. Kaisha = company, shachou = company president. Kai = board, committee, meeting, kaichou = chairman.

Koto is not an organized entity, so cho(u) can't be used. What would be used in such situations is 係り kakari. Thus, Mudansha (no) kakari. In a more specific sense, I suspect mudansha (no) shidouyaku (mudansha guidance) would be used here in Japan.

OTOH, I love things being in their native idiom. English webpage? Targeted towards English speakers? I likes me some "Assistant Instructor" action.

"Web kohai", incidently, would suggest to a Japanese person that there is a "web sempai" who is perhaps in charge of the website. "Kohai" doesn't mean "junior student" in and of itself. Even your Chief Instructor remains someone's kohai.

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Old 11-30-2007, 09:14 AM   #40
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yep, english is the best choice. And David is correct, make something up in Japanese, and some idiot will be using it as a "legitimate" title within their made up art, and referencing your webpage on ebudo when called on it.

And dragging you into a flame fest.

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Old 11-30-2007, 08:14 PM   #41
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In order to use "cho", one must be the head of some kind of organized entity. Gakkou = school, thus, Kouchou = principal. Toshi = city, thus shichou = mayor. Kaisha = company, shachou = company president. Kai = board, committee, meeting, kaichou = chairman.
True...but....in the old "case by case" sense, they also have bucho and jicho--division heads. So you could consider something like mudansha bucho....

But like I said, in the old dojo in Shizuoka, the person that took care of the various "sub-business" aspects of the dojo operations didn't have a title at all. And I agree with you that in and English-based operation, an English title (if any) is better.

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Old 11-30-2007, 08:16 PM   #42
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yep, english is the best choice. And David is correct, make something up in Japanese, and some idiot will be using it as a "legitimate" title within their made up art, and referencing your webpage on ebudo when called on it.
Actually, the story is, Steven Hayes was named "shidoshi" by Hatsumi--a term Hatsumi coined specifically for Hayes. And next thing you know, all kinds of ninjers have that title--all bestowed by their revered hyper-traditional masters!

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Old 12-01-2007, 12:20 AM   #43
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True...but....in the old "case by case" sense, they also have bucho and jicho--division heads. So you could consider something like mudansha bucho....
A "bu" is an organized entity - in essence it's a "department" or "division". And "jicho" in this case is 次長, with the character 次 meaning "vice-, sub-, next, succeeding". Mudanshabu-cho would be perfectly acceptable if you created a mudansha-bu.

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Old 12-01-2007, 11:02 PM   #44
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A "bu" is an organized entity - in essence it's a "department" or "division". And "jicho" in this case is 次長, with the character 次 meaning "vice-, sub-, next, succeeding". Mudanshabu-cho would be perfectly acceptable if you created a mudansha-bu.
Yes, I think mudansha bucho would be more appropriate. Though, again, a special title really isn't necessary.....unless there is just some need to sound Japanese....

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Old 12-03-2007, 12:02 PM   #45
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You know, I'm really feeling like the key term for this thread is:

Overthink.

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Old 12-05-2007, 09:06 AM   #46
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Amen

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Old 12-05-2007, 09:07 AM   #47
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Josh is the man for these upsets... Josh?

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Old 12-05-2007, 09:09 AM   #48
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sorry you did that already... osoi

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