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07-22-2009, 01:03 PM
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Dojo: Shobu Aikido of Connecticut
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hip orientation & stability - big gun video
http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fu...deoID=10363838
Check out where the last guy's belly is compared to everyone else. Something to think about.
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07-22-2009, 01:43 PM
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Dojo: Doshinkan dojo in Roxborough, Pa
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Re: hip orientation & stability - big gun video
yikes...that is soooo scary. Not sure what you mean by where his belly is.
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07-22-2009, 02:47 PM
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Re: hip orientation & stability - big gun video
Is it the hips or the feet? Given a human-shaped structure, i.e., two legs, logically, if you knew what direction a force was coming from, you would be more stable with one foot in front of the other with respect to the direction the force is coming from. I.e., if you're going to be hit in the chest it would make sense to have one foot further back than the other.
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07-22-2009, 02:56 PM
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Re: hip orientation & stability - big gun video
Rob are you alluding to the fact that the last guy didn't keel over like the rest of the guys?
It look like he has got his belly lined up with his back leg, the kick of the rifle doesnt make his belly roll up into his back imbalance point, it sort of lands on his back leg.. so his torso tilts back but not over his heels.
Cool trick would be if he could shoot square without falling over
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07-22-2009, 04:30 PM
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Re: hip orientation & stability - big gun video
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Alfonso Adriasola wrote:
Rob are you alluding to the fact that the last guy didn't keel over like the rest of the guys?
It look like he has got his belly lined up with his back leg, the kick of the rifle doesnt make his belly roll up into his back imbalance point, it sort of lands on his back leg.. so his torso tilts back but not over his heels.
Cool trick would be if he could shoot square without falling over
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I dare say that he is a pretty "square" shooter.
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07-22-2009, 08:50 PM
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Re: hip orientation & stability - big gun video
that gun is fn * I N S A N E *
what's that for? buffalo? elephant? aeroplanes?
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07-22-2009, 10:14 PM
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Re: hip orientation & stability - big gun video
Alfonso, you have a good eye. Basia, NO ONE is able to deal with that kind of force very well. As Josh points out, that gun is insane.
It is a really good example of structure.
-Rob
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07-23-2009, 03:45 AM
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Re: hip orientation & stability - big gun video
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07-23-2009, 05:46 AM
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Re: hip orientation & stability - big gun video
Rob,
Entertaining video. Thanks for posting it.
David,
Thanks for that link. I had never heard of this gun.
750 gr at 2400 fps and 10,000 ft lbs.
Oh my God. That is a rifle!
I'm not quite sure what the video in the OP teaches us. Anyone who has ever done any semi-serious shooting should know that stance, alignment, and grip on your gun are crucial.
I suspect several of those guys would have had difficulties with any more normal gun that has a strong recoil. I don't see a forward lean, and often the butt doesn't appear to be tightly pulled into the shoulder.
I suppose the position of the belly relative to the rest of the body matters, but I'll tell you, any gap between the butt and your body and you will be in for a bad day.
http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fu...deoID=10363838
The guy at 0:53 has particularly poor form.
I'm sure there are plenty of guys who can shoot this T-Rex without a problem. Here are some examples.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OAwg-...eature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yThS_...eature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGAD3oHBNiE
Here is a little more info on the gun.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yA2137uZlSI
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07-23-2009, 06:34 AM
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Re: hip orientation & stability - big gun video
Absolutely. I took the issue with the gap between the butt and your body as a given. A lot of very experienced people would have a hard time with THAT gun. -Rob
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07-23-2009, 10:24 AM
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Re: hip orientation & stability - big gun video
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I dare say that he is a pretty "square" shooter.
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please excuse my confusion of terms; I meant square as in both feet parallel facing forward which would be fairly unstable structurally.
I think "square" in the context of shooting means the opposite.
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Alfonso Adriasola
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07-31-2009, 04:22 PM
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Re: hip orientation & stability - big gun video
750 gr. is just too much and shooting that .577 without a muzzle breaks will be hard on your shoulder. But very interesting, thanks for the post.
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07-31-2009, 06:22 PM
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Re: hip orientation & stability - big gun video
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Michael Varin wrote:
I had never heard of this gun.
750 gr at 2400 fps and 10,000 ft lbs.
Oh my God. That is a rifle!
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I think those are just the stats for the round...
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Anyone who has ever done any semi-serious shooting should know that stance, alignment, and grip on your gun are crucial....I don't see a forward lean, and often the butt doesn't appear to be tightly pulled into the shoulder.
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Absolutely... some of those guys look like they've never even fired a gun before.
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