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Old 07-20-2015, 02:46 PM   #76
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It is my experience that doing the "ten of ten" e.g. - and the body work we practice in general - does not only lead to physical effectiveness. But that it also leads to a state of inner calmness, of sereness. (I have one student who is practicing opening to six directions explicetly in stressfull situations to become calm.)
Calmness and serenity are measurable physical states. Brain waves can be measured. Serotonin levels can be measured. And so forth. The benefits of meditation appear to be independent of the God Concept (if any) held as sacred by the meditator.

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Old 07-21-2015, 11:06 AM   #77
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Calmness and serenity are measurable physical states. Brain waves can be measured. Serotonin levels can be measured. And so forth. The benefits of meditation appear to be independent of the God Concept (if any) held as sacred by the meditator.

Katherine
Mind, intent, and consciousness are no more measurable than a God Concept. Calmness, serenity, serotonin, and brainwaves can all exist without anybody "meaning" them.

And not to put too fine a point on it, but you could take all the nutrients out of a plate full of steak, potatoes, and veggies and offer them, if not in powdered form, at least as some type of brownish jelly.
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Old 07-21-2015, 03:57 PM   #78
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And not to put too fine a point on it, but you could take all the nutrients out of a plate full of steak, potatoes, and veggies and offer them, if not in powdered form, at least as some type of brownish jelly.
Do it well, and you're Ferran Adrià. Of course, it's not easy to be Ferran Adrià.

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Old 07-23-2015, 03:10 AM   #79
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. The benefits of meditation appear to be independent of the God Concept (if any) held as sacred by the meditator.
It is my personal experience that the specific results of a certain way of meditation or more precisely of a certain spiritual practice are totally dependent of the concept behind that technique.

But I didn't mean to start a discussion whether at all there exist things that are not "measurable" in a scientific sense. If your don't need that dimension, it works for me.
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