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Old 05-15-2009, 04:10 AM   #1
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Knife throwing ukemi.

Last night we started training with doing ukemi picking up a tanto on the ground or drawing it from the belt and throwing it as we got up.

other that destroying the back wall, the idea was to take peoples mind off the ukemi and force the finishing in a proper posture.

Anyway that was a laugh and I was wondering what teaching trick you were using?

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Old 05-15-2009, 04:48 AM   #2
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Re: Knife throwing ukemi.

You've been watching the original 'Buffy the Vampire Slayer' movie haven't you?

I used to do that for fun while on a field trip at the end of my first year at university - there was a grassy field outside the research centre which was ideal to play on - and no walls to destroy

As to teaching good posture in ukemi, perhaps having tori come in to attack uke immediately after the throw may sharpen up uke's senses to the importance of strong posture?

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Old 05-15-2009, 05:15 AM   #3
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Re: Knife throwing ukemi.

From an FMA background, why would you give/throw a knife to someone who will then use it on you?

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Old 05-15-2009, 06:45 AM   #4
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Re: Knife throwing ukemi.

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You've been watching the original 'Buffy the Vampire Slayer' movie haven't you?

I used to do that for fun while on a field trip at the end of my first year at university - there was a grassy field outside the research centre which was ideal to play on - and no walls to destroy

As to teaching good posture in ukemi, perhaps having tori come in to attack uke immediately after the throw may sharpen up uke's senses to the importance of strong posture?

Ruth
Well he is old enough to have seen the Rutger Hauer version when it was released...

We do the strike stunt as well, not as fun though
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Old 05-15-2009, 10:03 AM   #5
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Re: Knife throwing ukemi.

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From an FMA background, why would you give/throw a knife to someone who will then use it on you?
IMHO this sounds like an exercise to improve zanshin. However If I have multiple weapons, throwing one at an enemy to distract him is a great idea. The Japanese did it, so did the Greek. I'll bet there are several Filipino tribes that use the technique as well.

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Old 05-15-2009, 10:54 AM   #6
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Re: Knife throwing ukemi.

Actually we Filipinos developed a weapon that we can throw at an enemy and then retrieve quickly.. It's known in the West as a "Yo-yo"

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Old 05-15-2009, 01:43 PM   #7
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Re: Knife throwing ukemi.

Well, it's a useful skill to have when you drop your phaser while fighting the silcon based rock monster..... :-)

Actually, picking something off the floor while rolling is good practice and a fun challenge, especially for teaching kids. We have a soft foam knife (from BuJin) that we use for this. If you miss and fall on it it doesn't hurt!

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Old 05-15-2009, 02:46 PM   #8
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Re: Knife throwing ukemi.

Knife Throwing? One more step on the path of learning how to dodge bullets!!! Just like O'Sensei!

I was actually pretty darn good at this when I was six years old and playing cops and robbers..."I shot you!!! No you didn't!!! I dodged the bullet!"

On a more serious note... In a real fight unarmed... I will grab and throw anything to distract and close distance or to retreat depending on the tactical situation... but I would never ever "throw" a weapon at someone unless it is the very last resort. A knife is much better in my hands than in the hand of my opponent.

As Chris mentioned "household object" Randori is good to practice for awareness every once in a while.

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Old 05-16-2009, 01:50 PM   #9
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Old 05-16-2009, 02:13 PM   #10
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Re: Knife throwing ukemi.

Ukemi to handshake. Teaches, as Mr. Hein already stated, Zanshin and/or Mushin, depends on your perspective.

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Old 06-25-2009, 09:33 PM   #11
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Re: Knife throwing ukemi.

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Actually we Filipinos developed a weapon that we can throw at an enemy and then retrieve quickly.. It's known in the West as a "Yo-yo"
Hmmm... I wonder if they'll teach me that in my FMA class.

On a side note: The Australian Aborigines used boomerangs, but the returning kind were designed more for sport AFAIK - the non-returning kind were designed for hunting.

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Old 07-27-2009, 04:11 PM   #12
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From an FMA background, why would you give/throw a knife to someone who will then use it on you?
What if, when you toss it to them, they catch it with their rib cage?

*lights camp fire* Ever heard the legend of Skeeter Vaughn? (he actually took out a sentry in WWII at 87 feet, in the dark, with a thrown knife)

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Old 07-28-2009, 11:49 AM   #13
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Ever heard the legend of Skeeter Vaughn? (he actually took out a sentry in WWII at 87 feet, in the dark, with a thrown knife)
Are any of us this person?
Is it possible? Sure.
Is it likely I can? No way.
I'll still keep my knife in my own hands thank you.
If it does enter someone else, I will clean it before I put it away.

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Old 07-28-2009, 01:25 PM   #14
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Re: Knife throwing ukemi.

We used to do things like this in my old aikijitsu class. We would roll over obstacles or through hoops & pick up the knife. We would also do the same thing, but leave the knife as we rolled. Just something different to do. We also actually practiced throwing knives back and forth. It is actually quite easy to throw a knife to a partner when done correctly. The object was to throw it in a smooth arc and to prevent the knife from tumbling end over end (like a bad football toss). You of course always threw the knife with the handle towards your partner so they caught it with the blade away from them.

Oh, and the "story" behind this throw was that you were tossing a knife to a friend, not a foe who needed the knife. It was something that my sensei's sensei (Ex USMC special ops) learned and found valuable.

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Old 07-29-2009, 07:35 AM   #15
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Re: Knife throwing ukemi.

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Are any of us this person?
Is it possible? Sure.
Is it likely I can? No way.
I'll still keep my knife in my own hands thank you.
If it does enter someone else, I will clean it before I put it away.
I'm with Lynn on this one.

If you have time to throw, you have time to attack.

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If you have time to throw, you have time to attack.
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Old 07-30-2009, 02:29 PM   #17
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Re: Knife throwing ukemi.

we do the tanto pick up while rolling as well.
a couple more that we do with similar goal:
sensei will get a basketball and stand in front of you while you do a roll towards him; as you are coming up, he will throw the ball at you so that it is reaching you as you get to the top. the goal is to have your hands extended in front of you and ready for anything as you get up...you cant catch the ball without your hands right there...

the other: sensei will get a shinai and will stand in ken kamae in front of you as you roll towards him. As you come up, he will do a shomen strike at you, and you must be balanced and upright enuff to do a tenkan turn right away, to evade the strike....the feeling of the shinai hitting your head isnt as bad as the sound it makes!!
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Re: Knife throwing ukemi.

In one of my old classes, my teacher would swing a bo at you (neck height) as you came up from your roll and for this, we either did a back fall or went into a backwards roll to get away from it. Sometimes he would swing at you and other times you came up and he didn't so you ran by him and went to the back of the line. It was good practice because you had to come up balanced, ready to move and you couldn't just let your momentum carry you up and forward uncontrollably.

We did rolls with knives, bo's, jo's and chucks. Just something interesting to do. Would I use that in a fight.... probably not, but I think it isn't so much about you using it as it is learning other lessons from doing it.

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