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Old 09-12-2014, 05:30 AM   #101
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It's impossible to move people in a static and balanced position. I think the initial rotation is generated by the attacker when the nage move inside to the attacker as a response. From then, nage simply grab the head/neck,collar, whatever, to secure the rotation, unbalance attacker, and cut down
not impossible or even difficult, since most human that i know of have only two legs, not 4. something for you to think through: does a 4 legged chair more stable than 2 legged chair? hint: ask someone to stand in the most stable stand, walk around the person, then ask yourself, in which directions when you apply power would that person has the most difficult time to keep balance?

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Old 09-12-2014, 08:37 AM   #102
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Old 09-12-2014, 09:33 AM   #103
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It's impossible to move people in a static and balanced position. I think the initial rotation is generated by the attacker when the nage move inside to the attacker as a response. From then, nage simply grab the head/neck,collar, whatever, to secure the rotation, unbalance attacker, and cut down
I think grabbing the collar is going to be remarkably ineffective against a competent attacker who has some idea how to keep his balance.

You are correct that you need to disrupt his balance, but grabbing the collar is not a great way to accomplish it.
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Old 09-12-2014, 09:43 AM   #104
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For us grabbing the collar is kihon waza.
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Old 01-22-2015, 07:53 PM   #105
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Hi guys.

So, after a few months troubleshooting, we have been learning how to take the fall first, then we start doing iriminage with ukemi.

I gotta admit iriminage with this kind of breakfall becomes 100% more interesting for the class.

we do these ukemi exercises:

this, this, and this. Oh and also this

Well, we are now gearing towards silent breakfall instead of the noisy one haha. We're intrigued by the soft fall. So silent and it has certain appealing characteristics when you breakfall but produces no sound.

We can breakfall from kotegaeshi, kaitennage, sumi otoshi, kokyunage just fine.

Aiki otoshi has a bit of problem though because you're falling on your back. Gotta watch feather fall backfall for that.

Right now, we're just focusing on iriminage first.

Sorry, not meaning to necro-ing dead thread, but I just realize aikido is two way and uke and nage is like two side of the same coin. To achieve beauty in aikido movement, uke first have to learn how to take the fall.

Well... where will you be when epiphany hits haha. It's been there all the time. Someone said somewhere aikido is 50% ukemi.
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Old 01-23-2015, 01:09 AM   #106
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I highly recommend the DVD of Jan Nevelius and Frank Ostoff: "Uke Training in Aikido".
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Old 01-23-2015, 09:55 AM   #107
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Sorry, not meaning to necro-ing dead thread, but I just realize aikido is two way and uke and nage is like two side of the same coin. To achieve beauty in aikido movement, uke first have to learn how to take the fall.

Well... where will you be when epiphany hits haha. It's been there all the time. Someone said somewhere aikido is 50% ukemi.
Well, yes. You spend half your time taking ukemi. Why would you want to train something other than aikido during that time?

However, "good" ukemi is about a lot more than taking pretty falls. If there is no attack, pretty much any technique works.

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Old 01-24-2015, 08:54 AM   #108
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dear Carsten,

any idea how to get this?
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Old 01-24-2015, 09:30 AM   #109
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Try to contact Jan:
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