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Old 03-21-2007, 11:13 PM   #76
Dojo: Sand Drift Aikikai, Cocoa Florida
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Re: Attracting / keeping women members at a dojo

Luc Saroufim wrote: View Post
i'm going to summarize...
I'm going to summarize my original rather lengthy tit for tat response with this:

We don't:
1. Want an Aikido Bill of Rights or Constitution;
2. Think all men are pigs or dogs;
3. Want to advance some sort of "feminist agenda";
4. Want some form of Affirmative Action that promotes women faster so that we have more women teachers;
5. Want some kind of advertising that will grossly stereotype all women; and
6. Want to water down aikido and do to Karate and Kendo what Powerstrike/Forza has done.
I think the women on this board have pretty darned good idea of what we feel is necessary -- Treat us with dignity and respect. That's it -- plain and simple. No more, no less.

Please do not lecture us as to how we should really feel or react. And please do not read into what we say.

Everyone here has done a great job in not getting into the whole "gender politics" debate. So please let's not go there, okay? The "gender politics" debate unfortunately just creates a downward spiral of a debate. Just revisit the old "gender issue" threads on this board for your fill of this, please.

Luc, I know you mean well. But, please don't "mean well" all over me. As my grandmother always said, "The road to Hell is paved with good intentions."

Anne Marie Giri
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Old 03-22-2007, 08:23 AM   #77
Luc X Saroufim
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Re: Attracting / keeping women members at a dojo

Anne Marie Giri wrote: View Post
5. Want some kind of advertising that will grossly stereotype all women
i said i'm in full support of "advertising geared towards women."

Anne Marie Giri wrote: View Post
6. Want to water down aikido and do to Karate and Kendo what Powerstrike/Forza has done.
i re-read my own post and i still don't see how i implied this at all.

it seems to me you're offended because i am lecturing and patronizing. this is an internet forum, not a dojo, so words speak louder than actions. i ask you to give me the same respect and not judge my character until i throw you or twist your arm

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Old 03-22-2007, 09:29 AM   #78
Basia Halliop
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Re: Attracting / keeping women members at a dojo

Luc, you're preaching to the choir -- the women in this thread are the ones who ARE training.

Someone specifically wanted to know what we thought might bring other women in (I interpreted this as women who have not yet discovered the wonders of aikido), and pondered the question of why some dojos have lots of women and others don't, so some of us are just trying to brainstorm.

FWIW -- I am pretty violently opposed to quotas or anything of that sort, so I hope nothing I said seemed to suggest otherwise. For the record, quotas, double standards, politics, etc, are evil slimy things that I want nothing to do with, OK?

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