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01-26-2007, 12:03 PM
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Dojo: south hetton (Dynamic aikido Nocquet )
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brutal brown belts
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01-28-2007, 01:57 PM
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Location: Orlando, FL
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Re: brutal brown belts
Most people refer to this phenomenon as "brown belt syndrome". It is often accompanied by the irresistible urge to teach everyone without provocation.
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01-29-2007, 12:15 AM
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Dojo: South Hetton
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Re: brutal brown belts
If it would be in another section I probably would have been able to tell you, it is about realising that your techniques are rubbish. It is also about trying to make them work, with intent in a martial way. I would have been able to tell you, that the way to understanding, how it is done, unfortunately for most people is through brutal aggression. But as you put it in the humor section, I cannot share this wisdom with you, for it is far to serious.
All I can tell you is:
EAT MY DUST!
CU tonight.
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02-01-2007, 06:21 AM
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Dojo: Cleadon Village
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Re: brutal brown belts
A good way to cure people of the brutal brownbelt syndrome is to give them to the dan grades at their club and let the dan grades have some fun. We sometimes refer to the more senior kyu grades as mat fodder. It's just good to remind them of their place sometimes. You can also use the excuse that you're helping them to apply techniques is ever more inventive and unpleasant ways. At least thats what I do. lol..... Harmoniously of course. I'm off to get beaten up by a 3rd dan tonight. Ta ta.
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02-01-2007, 08:54 AM
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Location: Quezon City
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Re: brutal brown belts
Chris is right. the easiest way to tame them is to remind the brownbelts rather forcefully of their place in the food chain.
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02-01-2007, 11:12 AM
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Dojo: South Hetton
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Re: brutal brown belts
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Chris Green wrote:
A good way to cure people of the brutal brownbelt syndrome is to give them to the dan grades at their club and let the dan grades have some fun. We sometimes refer to the more senior kyu grades as mat fodder. It's just good to remind them of their place sometimes. You can also use the excuse that you're helping them to apply techniques is ever more inventive and unpleasant ways. At least thats what I do. lol..... Harmoniously of course. I'm off to get beaten up by a 3rd dan tonight. Ta ta.
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Of course sometimes the black belts get run over by brown belts in 2 on 1 randori....
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02-12-2007, 02:38 AM
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Dojo: Cleadon
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Re: brutal brown belts
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Chris Green wrote:
A good way to cure people of the brutal brownbelt syndrome is to give them to the dan grades at their club and let the dan grades have some fun. We sometimes refer to the more senior kyu grades as mat fodder. It's just good to remind them of their place sometimes. You can also use the excuse that you're helping them to apply techniques is ever more inventive and unpleasant ways. At least thats what I do. lol..... Harmoniously of course. I'm off to get beaten up by a 3rd dan tonight. Ta ta.
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but i'm only little and you all seem to take great pleasure in beating me to a pulp
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02-12-2007, 06:34 AM
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Dojo: Aikidoschule Trier
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Re: brutal brown belts
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Krystyna McGurk wrote:
but i'm only little and you all seem to take great pleasure in beating me to a pulp
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Dear Krystyna,
you should complain only, if you are smaller than O'Sensei was. (some 150 cm)
But even if you can't beat up those bullies, there are some strategies to get help.
For example you can ask a very good aikidoka to get your partners right after you. On a simple hint your 'white knight' can treat them as they treated you. Very gentle or a bit less gentle.
Or you ask sensei for help. Tell him about your problem. Then, if you are treated badly, you just ask sensei "Could you please tell me, how to take ukemi without getting hurt?" He will then give a short explanation and then shows the technique on your partner in a very hard execution form. Then he can say "Well, if your skills are not good enough, nage should perform the technique more gently and softly."
That should help, unless an idiot thinks, he should perform the technique exactly as sensei showed. Then you need another strategy
Cheers
Dirk
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02-12-2007, 10:58 AM
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Dojo: New School Aikido
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Re: brutal brown belts
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Chris Green wrote:
A good way to cure people of the brutal brownbelt syndrome is to give them to the dan grades at their club and let the dan grades have some fun.
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I've flat out told brown belts that a brown belt is a license to be abused by yudansha. Particularly if said brown belt is being worn by someone ages 13-20.
I like to use brown belts for practice on koshi nage. For the record, I can't actually do koshi nage, but I'm working on it. Brown belts are perfect "practice partners".
(SLAM!!! No that wasn't right, let me try that again. WHAM!! Still not quite right, one more time...)
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02-13-2007, 02:59 PM
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Dojo: South Hetton
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Re: brutal brown belts
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Krystyna McGurk wrote:
but i'm only little and you all seem to take great pleasure in beating me to a pulp
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It's not like you would want it any other way ,
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02-17-2007, 01:32 PM
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Dojo: Cleadon
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Re: brutal brown belts
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It's not like you would want it any other way ,
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well no, i guess not, but still... stuff...ness...i don' know i've done 2 mock gradings today (but i did get to koshi half the class) and my ankle hurts, be nice to me!
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02-21-2007, 11:10 AM
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Dojo: South Hetton
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Re: brutal brown belts
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Krystyna McGurk wrote:
well no, i guess not, but still... stuff...ness...i don' know i've done 2 mock gradings today (but i did get to koshi half the class) and my ankle hurts, be nice to me!
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I'm by definitin a nice person and nice to everyone, even with a brown belt on. ;-)
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02-23-2007, 06:52 AM
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Dojo: south hetton (Dynamic aikido Nocquet )
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Re: brutal brown belts
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Michael Meister wrote:
I'm by definitin a nice person and nice to everyone, even with a brown belt on. ;-)
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dream on her doctor, nice means you have to be pleasant with people..
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02-23-2007, 07:32 AM
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Dojo: Taikyoku Budo & Kiko - NY, PA, MD
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Re: brutal brown belts
I always enjoy the opportunity of having yudansha show me my place.
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02-23-2007, 07:57 AM
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Dojo: Doshinkan dojo in Roxborough, Pa
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Re: brutal brown belts
Ha! good luck to the yudansha!
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"The higher a monkey climbs, the more you see of his behind."
St. Bonaventure (ca. 1221-1274)
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02-24-2007, 02:04 AM
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Dojo: South Hetton
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Re: brutal brown belts
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Lee Southward wrote:
dream on her doctor, nice means you have to be pleasant with people..
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So, you want to say, I am not pleasant? I am pleasant and have a smile for everyone!
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02-28-2007, 10:13 AM
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Dojo: south hetton (Dynamic aikido Nocquet )
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Re: brutal brown belts
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So, you want to say, I am not pleasant? I am pleasant and have a smile for everyone!
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ahh but what lurks behind that smile,,
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02-28-2007, 11:41 AM
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Re: brutal brown belts
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ahh but what lurks behind that smile,,
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joy and pleasure of course ;-)
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02-28-2007, 11:56 AM
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Re: brutal brown belts
Never had any problem..... Wait till I got them outside of the dojo on the pretext of something else and gave them a thorough pasting.... end of Bully Brown Belt
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02-28-2007, 01:07 PM
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Dojo: Taikyoku Budo & Kiko - NY, PA, MD
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Re: brutal brown belts
Eh, I'd rather keep it in the dojo and on the mat and invite people to give me a thorough pasting if they want to . . . I'll even buy the beers afterwards.
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03-01-2007, 07:46 AM
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Re: brutal brown belts
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Budd Yuhasz wrote:
Eh, I'd rather keep it in the dojo and on the mat and invite people to give me a thorough pasting if they want to . . . I'll even buy the beers afterwards.
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Yes I would agree but it doesn't always work that way! With some individuals its best kept private so they don't suffer the humiliation!
I will offer my hand and a beer..... if accepted! different people different strokes!
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03-01-2007, 07:52 AM
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Dojo: Taikyoku Budo & Kiko - NY, PA, MD
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Re: brutal brown belts
Sometimes humiliation (dished out with a smile, followed by a hand and beer) itself is a good reality check, speaking from my own experience on both sides. It helps bare the ego (which can be the worst barrier to learning).
Last edited by Budd : 03-01-2007 at 07:56 AM.
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03-01-2007, 11:04 AM
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Dojo: Itten Dojo, Enola PA
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Re: brutal brown belts
Budd, I have no desire to see your bare ego....
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03-01-2007, 12:06 PM
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Dojo: Taikyoku Budo & Kiko - NY, PA, MD
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Re: brutal brown belts
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John Butz wrote:
Budd, I have no desire to see your bare ego....
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*ZING*
Now that WOULD be BRUTAL!
er, I'm glad this is the humor section . . . even if mine barely rates as an example . . . and don't get me started on skirt freestylin' . . .
Hey, look over there, it's Keanu Reeves!!
Last edited by Budd : 03-01-2007 at 12:09 PM.
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03-03-2007, 04:03 PM
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Dojo: south hetton (Dynamic aikido Nocquet )
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Re: brutal brown belts
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John Butz wrote:
Budd, I have no desire to see your bare ego....
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you have a bare ego, is that like a naked ego, i think one of my students, well 2 actually like naked egos.(michael miester and steve handford),maybe they have a desire to see a naked ego
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