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12-06-2004, 02:45 AM
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"anonymous"
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Aiki labels
Recently I've noticed a new trend on the boards. I've noticed that folks have come up with clever little titles for each of the major different styles of Aikido. Apparently we have ShodoThugs, Yoshingoons or Yoshiorcs, Aikielves and Aikifruities. Clearly, each of these is intended to denote a certain quality or aspect of the style, but I also believe that there is an implied connotation of superiority with these titles. So my question is simple: do we need them? In what way are they beneficial to Aikido? How do they represent what is good about the art?
Do we really need all the labels?
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12-06-2004, 11:36 AM
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Dojo: Wokingham Aikido
Location: Reading, UK
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Re: Aiki labels
I think it's just meant to be a bit of fun
They represent the fun side of the art, and the sense of humor that those of us who train in several styles tend to cultivate!
Ruth
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12-06-2004, 11:55 AM
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Location: Left Coast
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Re: Aiki labels
I'm with Ruth as seeing/using them as playful gibes among friends who are happy to crosstrain among styles.
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Janet Rosen
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"peace will enter when hate is gone"--percy mayfield
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12-06-2004, 12:10 PM
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Location: livingston, scotland
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Re: Aiki labels
The Shodothugs were first, don't forget
Must dash...have my superiority and judgemental classes tonight.
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12-06-2004, 12:20 PM
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Dojo: York Shodokan Aikido
Location: York, United Kingdom.
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Re: Aiki labels
Dear Anonymous,
Dude, you need to relax and enjoy a joke amongst friends. They are just jokes nothing more and nothing less. If you can't laught at yourself then you're in a world of darkness and pain.
BTW, does that make a shodo-thug-elf-fruity???...
PS: I'm saving the "What am I if I turn into a cottage at every full moon" joke for later.
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12-06-2004, 12:43 PM
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Dojo: Evanston Ki-Aikido
Location: Evanston IL
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Re: Aiki labels
They're just a bunch of nerdy D&D playing Aikidoists. Besides, they're quoting 2nd Edition Advanced Dungeons and Dragons, when everyone knows the most recent edition is the D20 Version 3.5 rules.
eek!
I shouldn't have said that...
Forget I said that.
sorry
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It is not practice that makes perfect, it is correct practice that makes perfect.
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12-06-2004, 12:54 PM
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Dojo: Seiwa Dojo and Southside Dojo
Location: Battle Creek & Kalamazoo, MI
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Re: Aiki labels
Quote:
Yann Golanski wrote:
If you can't laught at yourself then....
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I'll laugh at you
They're just jokes...they don't hurt...unless you let them
Bronson
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"A pacifist is not really a pacifist if he is unable to make a choice between violence and non-violence. A true pacifist is able to kill or maim in the blink of an eye, but at the moment of impending destruction of the enemy he chooses non-violence."
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12-06-2004, 12:55 PM
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Dojo: Aikido of Silicon Valley
Location: Fremont, CA
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Re: Aiki labels
I prefer games with a lot of characters and species, each with it's own attributes, strong and weak points. Variety just adds to the fun! Then you can try playing with elves, then orcs, then someone else.
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12-06-2004, 12:58 PM
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Dojo: Seiwa Dojo and Southside Dojo
Location: Battle Creek & Kalamazoo, MI
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Re: Aiki labels
OOOHHH. I've jus thought of a new one!! I don't know if it would apply to a whole style or just me: Aiki-Demigod
Bronson (I'm the mostest humble)
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"A pacifist is not really a pacifist if he is unable to make a choice between violence and non-violence. A true pacifist is able to kill or maim in the blink of an eye, but at the moment of impending destruction of the enemy he chooses non-violence."
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12-06-2004, 01:06 PM
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Location: Frederick, MD
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Re: Aiki labels
Quote:
Do we really need all the labels?
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My friend, you take yourself and your chosen martial art WAY too Seriously.
Take a gander:
http://home.earthlink.net/~jimbaker6/aa/askjim.htm
(a FAQ compiled by one of the VERY best aikidoka in America today. Period.)
(And yes, I've crossed hands with him and a thousand others, and Jim KNOWS stuff. Seriously.)
Chuck
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12-06-2004, 01:20 PM
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Dojo: GUST Aikido Club
Location: Salwa, Kuwait
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Re: Aiki labels
Quote:
Ted Ehara wrote:
They're just a bunch of nerdy D&D playing Aikidoists. Besides, they're quoting 2nd Edition Advanced Dungeons and Dragons, when everyone knows the most recent edition is the D20 Version 3.5 rules.
eek!
I shouldn't have said that...
Forget I said that.
sorry
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Now that is funny!
Rock
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12-06-2004, 07:01 PM
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Dojo: None at the moment - on hiatus
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Re: Aiki labels
Quote:
Ted Ehara wrote:
They're just a bunch of nerdy D&D playing Aikidoists. Besides, they're quoting 2nd Edition Advanced Dungeons and Dragons, when everyone knows the most recent edition is the D20 Version 3.5 rules.
eek!
I shouldn't have said that...
Forget I said that.
sorry
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Me,YoshiOrc, me have D&D for breakfast. Me throw dice better than any one here. Argghh!!! You wanna challenge me?
I hope Mr Anon would chill out a little, and enjoy da' ride.
The Author.
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SHOMEN-ATE (TM), the solution to 90% of aikido and life's problems.
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12-06-2004, 07:26 PM
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Dojo: Roppongi Yoshinkan Aikido / Roppongi, Tokyo, Japan
Location: Tokyo
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Re: Aiki labels
Quote:
Apparently we have ShodoThugs, Yoshingoons or Yoshiorcs, Aikielves and Aikifruities. Clearly, each of these is intended to denote a certain quality or aspect of the style, but I also believe that there is an implied connotation of superiority with these titles.
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Well, yeah. There is.
Funny how nothing has changed, eh?
--Michael (the modestest YoshiOrc you ever did see)
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Hiriki no yosei 3 - The kihon that makes your head ache instead of your legs
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12-07-2004, 01:53 AM
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Dojo: Kiburn, London, UK
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Re: Aiki labels
I was wondering when the first backlash post would happen, sad that it was anonymous posting...
[serious mode]
If you'd actually read the posts leading to this bit of fun and nonsense, you may have actually seen some aikido forum-style in action.
Aiki-fruity was, initially, a rather derogatory term used by some posters to denigrate those they felt had lost the martial spirit. By embracing the title tongue in cheek, the Ki folk (myself amongst them) have nullified this.
In a similar way, my use of shodothug to describe our Tomiki brethren in aikido denotes a humorously respectful acknowledgment of both their competitive randori and positive contribution to aikido.
So, all in all, I cannot see your problem. If anyone attempted to use these ridiculous classifications seriously, all I can hope is they can withstand the resounding bellow of laughter this type of geeky hubris would bring.
[/end serious mode]
Yours the Ki dancing fool hisself
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12-07-2004, 02:22 AM
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As one of the major instigators of this aiki-labeling (first with the Shodothug pic and wallpaper, and then with the parody of D&D with the aikidoka class) as you call it, I have two words for you, anonymous:
LIGHTEN UP!!!!
With a few exceptions, it seems like everyone is taking the current threads as they are intended: just some good natured ribbing and kidding around. And I don't think there is any superiority in the current posts. Pride, maybe. Hell, I'm proud to do shodokan because, for me, it fits. But just because I do a certain style, it does not mean that I look down on others for doing different things... why would I? I'm perfectly happy to talk and practice aikido with any serious practitioner, no matter their affiliation (or lack thereof).
I think your preoccupation with labeling tells us more about you than it does about those participating in the threads.
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12-07-2004, 09:12 AM
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Dojo: Aikikai Foundation Hombu Dojo, Aikido of Hilo
Location: Tokyo
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Re: Aiki labels
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Yann Golanski wrote:
"What am I if I turn into a cottage at every full moon"
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Are you a warehouse?
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12-07-2004, 09:15 AM
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Dojo: Ontario Martial Arts
Location: Mississauga, Ontario
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Re: Aiki labels
I think it is very clear now that anonymous would like his/her group to be included in the naming scheme as well and is merely reacting to the pressures of feeling left out.
As such I hereby coin the the - Aiki-Anon-onion
Folks like Boon can work out the attack points etc. But in this case it appears that someone is merely using the Anon forum to take some cheap shots without having to put their name next to them.
Which means that Chuck's algorithm that "anonymous" = "wanker" is probably correct.
Eat well, train hard, die anyway folks, at least try to have a laugh or 2 while you're at it.
Shodothug Out.
LC
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12-07-2004, 09:39 AM
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Dojo: York Shodokan Aikido
Location: York, United Kingdom.
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Re: Aiki labels
Rachel, you got the answer and win a hundred shiho nage from me next time I come and visit ... TOKYO!!! OH no, that's just too far awat from York... *grins evilly*
Larry, you are a bad bad bad bad man. I like it. *more evilly grin*
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12-07-2004, 09:59 AM
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Dojo: Kiburn, London, UK
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Re: Aiki labels
Are kyu grade shodothugs shodothuglets or do they still come under the generic heading of shodo-dinner?
Anons surely must be aiki-ninjas?
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12-07-2004, 12:13 PM
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Dojo: Aikikai Foundation Hombu Dojo, Aikido of Hilo
Location: Tokyo
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Re: Aiki labels
Quote:
Yann Golanski wrote:
Rachel, you got the answer and win a hundred shiho nage from me next time I come and visit ... TOKYO!!! OH no, that's just too far awat from York... *grins evilly*
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Come on! You made the contest, you have to give the prize! But could we make it say.... sankyo? I've never been a huge fan of shihonage....
Besides, doesn't everyone need an excuse to visit Japan?
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12-07-2004, 01:15 PM
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Dojo: Seiwa Dojo and Southside Dojo
Location: Battle Creek & Kalamazoo, MI
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Re: Aiki labels
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Ian Hurst wrote:
Are kyu grade shodothugs shodothuglets or do they still come under the generic heading of shodo-dinner?
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I prefer proto-thug
Bronson
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"A pacifist is not really a pacifist if he is unable to make a choice between violence and non-violence. A true pacifist is able to kill or maim in the blink of an eye, but at the moment of impending destruction of the enemy he chooses non-violence."
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12-07-2004, 04:29 PM
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Dojo: Aikido of Petaluma, Petaluma,CA
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Re: Aiki labels
Of course we have to give ourrselves names to fit our categories, don't we?
Ghost Wind, the Elf
Rocky, you can be Break Wind....
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12-07-2004, 04:34 PM
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Location: livingston, scotland
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Re: Aiki labels
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Rachel Klein wrote:
Come on! You made the contest, you have to give the prize! But could we make it say.... sankyo? I've never been a huge fan of shihonage....
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The only difference between sankyo and shiho is the direction you are facing..surely?
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12-07-2004, 09:08 PM
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Dojo: GUST Aikido Club
Location: Salwa, Kuwait
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Re: Aiki labels
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Jo Adell wrote:
Of course we have to give ourrselves names to fit our categories, don't we?
Ghost Wind, the Elf
Rocky, you can be Break Wind....
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Aiki-Penitents don't have such illustrious names. We have given up such worldly things. (See General thread on Shodothugs, etc.)
Rock
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12-08-2004, 02:33 AM
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Dojo: Seiwa Dojo and Southside Dojo
Location: Battle Creek & Kalamazoo, MI
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Re: Aiki labels
I think I remember reading in one of the creature books that Aiki-penitents actually have something like 43 separate words for fart, each describing some special characteristic of said fart.
Bronson
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"A pacifist is not really a pacifist if he is unable to make a choice between violence and non-violence. A true pacifist is able to kill or maim in the blink of an eye, but at the moment of impending destruction of the enemy he chooses non-violence."
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