One class in the life of...(Photographed Edition)

Veers · 07-09-2003, 10:12 AM

kensparrow · 07-09-2003, 11:22 AM

Nice pictures. I'll bet that in your house fights over the TV remote get pretty hairy!

Veers · 07-09-2003, 11:25 AM

Hahaha...nah...not the TV remote...the PS2 controler. We hardly watch TV.

Dave Miller · 07-09-2003, 12:53 PM

Are you a Star Wars fan, Jonathan?

Veers · 07-09-2003, 01:47 PM

Yeah...how'd you guess?

Greg Jennings · 07-09-2003, 02:19 PM

The grip Sis has on you during the pin for shomen uchi ikkyo is new to me.

I get there from katatedori ikkyo and various nikyo omote forms, but not shomenuchi ikkyo.

Regards,

Veers · 07-10-2003, 10:05 PM

So, Dave, what did Star Wars have to do with this? My user name?

Greg...what do you do from shomen uchi ikkyo? I told my sensei about "The grip Sis has on you during the pin for shomen uchi ikkyo is new to me." and he goes "maybe he's new?" I told him no but didn't know what you meant by that.

Kyri Honigh · 07-10-2003, 11:56 PM

Hi,

I believe ur sister put a nikyo on ur wrist/hand.A lot of people do that when doing ikkyo from shomenuchi.Its isn't incorrect from my point of view, but it isn't the way pinning during that technique should be done traditionally.

During shomenuchi nikkyo omote you apply the nikyo grip when you have unbalanced uke.

I havent seen the rest of you pics, but looks good man!!

Gambatte!!!

Greg Jennings · 07-14-2003, 03:05 PM

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Jonathan Lyons (Veers) wrote:

Greg...what do you do from shomen uchi ikkyo? I told my sensei about "The grip Sis has on you during the pin for shomen uchi ikkyo is new to me." and he goes "maybe he's new?" I told him no but didn't know what you meant by that.

Heh. No, I'm not new.

We use a palm down grip top of both the elbow and wrist. Some people take their grips off and put tegatana at the elbow and wrist.

The grip your sister has is common for katatedori ikkyo or for <take your pick> nikyo omote (sometimes before transitioning to the upright hand-in-crook-of-elbow nikyo pin).

I've trained with 30-some-odd different instructors across the U.S. and have never seen anyone do shomenuchi ikkyo the way your sister has it in the picture. Katatedori ikkyo, yes, shomenuchi, no.

Best Regards,

Veers · 07-15-2003, 09:36 AM

Okay, I figured that's what you meant after looking at the technique in Best Aikido. The book has it done like you described. (Like my avatar, ya?)

Really, we don't have to do it that way...sensei showed it to us with the bending wrist pin, and with just holding the arm down. I use both, most everyone else at our dojo uses just the one pictured.

Actually, none are pictured, now, because my webspace is dead.

Greg Jennings · 07-15-2003, 10:46 AM

Hi Again Jonathan,

Yes. We do shomenuchi, yokomenuchi and a couple of others the way your avatar shows (and I tried to describe).

Sorry that the web space is dead. I was enjoying the pictures.

The logic we would use in our dojo runs like this:

o If I crank on the wrist, it isn't ikkyo anymore. I've transitioned to nikyo.

o If I don't crank on the wrist, why did I waste my time transitioning the grip and offering the momentary hole for uke to try to escape.

In general, we try to eliminate wasted movement from our technique...boil them down to their pure essence.

Sure, it's symantics, but to us they are important symantics.

Best Regards,

akiy · 07-15-2003, 10:53 AM

The way ikkyo through yonkyo are described in Japanese is pretty illuminating.

Ikkyo is also called "ude osae" which can translate to "holding/pressing the arm."

Nikyo is also called "kote mawashi" which can translate to something like "turning/rotating the forearm."

Sankyo is also called "kote hineri" which can translate to "twisting the forearm."

Yonkyo is also called "tekubi osae" which can translate to "holding/pressing the wrist."

So, the basic technical description (ie its Japanese name) of ikkyo does not connote any sense of twisting/turning.

Also interesting, perhaps, is nikyo and sankyo refer to "kote" (which is more properly defined as the part of the arm between the wrist and elbow) whereas yonkyo specifically refers to "tekubi" (which is the wrist or, literally, "the neck of the hand").

In any case, just my thoughts thrown into the discussion here regarding the "proper" pin for ikkyo/nikyo.

-- Jun

Dave Miller · 07-15-2003, 11:00 AM

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Jonathan Lyons (Veers) wrote:

So, Dave, what did Star Wars have to do with this? My user name?

"General Veers, prepare your men." -- Darth Vader

From Star Wars, Episode V: The Empire Strikes Back

Steven · 07-15-2003, 08:30 PM

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Veers · 07-16-2003, 11:25 AM

I know! And now my new webspace strictly and specificly forbids "unloading your digital camera for your friends to look at"! How rude!

Anyway...maybe I'll see if my bro has room on his webspace (he actually might have them there already).

Jun, if you read this...if my bro does have them on his webspace, could you edit all my URLs on the first post, since I can't?