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Old 12-05-2004, 11:13 AM   #26
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Re: Trading one wound for another?

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Taras Poltorak wrote:
There is a lot of good advice and info on knife attacks in this thread, but no one said yet that the best defence against a knife is to run as fast as you can to avoid all the nice things that Ian mentioned.
My kali instructors have emphasized that empty hand defenses against a knife are the last resort; if running doesn't work, you can throw things at the attacker, or protect your hands with your shoe. But they're still part of the curricula for Kali and, of course, Aikido.
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Old 12-05-2004, 12:10 PM   #27
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Re: Trading one wound for another?

The tiny bit I know on this subject is this:
Try not to get in a knife fight in the first place, but if so, I have heard that you are supposed to slash at your opponents hands, not at his body, as the knife is too short to reach him without you sustaining injury to your arms. The goal, apparently (to the best of my knowledge) is to cut your opponent's hands until he is forced to drop his weapon. Then you either stab, or pin, etc.

Just my two cents,

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Old 12-05-2004, 12:56 PM   #28
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Re: Trading one wound for another?

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Remember that there are NINE angles of attack -- straight up, straight down, back and forth on the horizontal line, along the diagnols, and of course, the thrust. Basically the same angles you use for the 8-directions stepping exercises rotating 90 degrees plus the thurst. You should cover all of them. Yokomenuchi is probably the most important because in FMA systems it's "Angle one," the line an attack is most likely to come at you on, but the other 8 angles are important to.
Yep, basically we are working up to that since the majority of my students are pretty much beginners, so I'm using a very graduated process to get to the 9. In our testing syllabus for 2nd Dan I know at least 6 angles come into play from different grips and hand positions on the knife and we usually do those in class on a pretty regular basis.

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And those angles are used not only for the knife, but for punches, kicks, other weapons -- everything will be coming in on one of those nine angles of attack. You've probably been playing with them all along and never knew it!
Of course, been there, done that, got the T-shirt. These angles are common aspects of basic body movement, so they are all over in Aikido training as well. The lower diagonals appear nicely in low roundhouse kicks for example, which we have been training against a lot in recent times. I like to cover all the bases.

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Unfortunately, I checked the instructor's list, and there doesn't seem to be anyone out your way. But it is a good place to start. That my instructors get their Kali from him and I went to 6 of his seminars is, of course, a coincidence. But I hope this helps.
Yep, checked the area already. I think there is a FMA instructor who recently started in Puerto Rico, but as is usually the case for me I will learn it when the time is right in the place that is best. It's how I found Aikido. Thanks for all the info though, much appreciated.

The most interesting thing happened after a student of mine watched the movie "The Hunted" with Tommy Lee Jones et al. He came to the next training session and asked if I saw it, I hadn't until recently. He found that a lot of the empty handed moves looked a lot like how we do Aikido. Having seen it, I tend to concur with much of it, but the knife work was just unreal. We do tanto work every class so I guess this thread has inspired me to broaden our already extensive tanto practice to incorporate some stuff I may have been neglecting.

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Old 12-06-2004, 11:07 AM   #29
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Re: Trading one wound for another?

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Yep, basically we are working up to that since the majority of my students are pretty much beginners, so I'm using a very graduated process to get to the 9. In our testing syllabus for 2nd Dan I know at least 6 angles come into play from different grips and hand positions on the knife and we usually do those in class on a pretty regular basis ..... These angles are common aspects of basic body movement, so they are all over in Aikido training as well. The lower diagonals appear nicely in low roundhouse kicks for example, which we have been training against a lot in recent times. I like to cover all the bases.
Kewl.

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Yep, checked the area already. I think there is a FMA instructor who recently started in Puerto Rico, but as is usually the case for me I will learn it when the time is right in the place that is best. It's how I found Aikido. Thanks for all the info though, much appreciated.
You're welcome. And I got into Kali by signing up at Guro Kevin Seaman's academy which was three miles from my house, so I hear what you're saying about the "right place."

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The most interesting thing happened after a student of mine watched the movie "The Hunted" with Tommy Lee Jones et al. He came to the next training session and asked if I saw it, I hadn't until recently. He found that a lot of the empty handed moves looked a lot like how we do Aikido. Having seen it, I tend to concur with much of it, but the knife work was just unreal. We do tanto work every class so I guess this thread has inspired me to broaden our already extensive tanto practice to incorporate some stuff I may have been neglecting.
Cool.

"The Hunted" is one of those many filsm I haven't seen, even though there was an article in BLACK BELT about its the Filipino knife techniques that the actors used. I'll have to rent it sometime!
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