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10-28-2007, 07:05 AM
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Re: Instructor got mad because I didnt fall
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Loh On Nin wrote:
Hi,
you are luckier than I am, I got kicked out of the dojo cos I fell in the wrong direction ( maybe 20 degrees off) after nage tried the second time.
The chief instructor went ballistic and would not even listen to my explaination.
Quite a few "my way or the highway" instructors around.
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Hi Loh,
Deja vu. Heard this story before. Probably from Astro on Demand channel.
Ossu
David Y
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11-13-2007, 06:12 PM
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#177
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Dojo: Melbourne Aikikai
Location: Melbourne,FL
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Re: Instructor got mad because I didnt fall
For me resistance sometimes needs to be negotiated. When you are just learning the form, foot/hand work you don't want an uke who is looking to escape or frustrate. Other times I ask my uke to resists, look for weak points, etc. Other times, depending on your level, it is random, spontaneous and used to keep you on your toes (dojo-itus). Just depends.
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11-13-2007, 08:09 PM
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#178
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Dojo: None at the moment - on hiatus
Join Date: May 2004
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Re: Instructor got mad because I didnt fall
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Loh On Nin wrote:
Hi,
you are luckier than I am, I got kicked out of the dojo cos I fell in the wrong direction ( maybe 20 degrees off) after nage tried the second time.
The chief instructor went ballistic and would not even listen to my explaination.
Quite a few "my way or the highway" instructors around.
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You just do not understand....
Your direction of the fall must be at exactly North 35.56 degrees East at exactly 12.06.45 pm in order to align with the Earth Meridian and Chi. No wonder your sensei chased you out of the dojo.. You did not conform to Feng Shui principles.
For foreign friends who did not get it... the above post was Boon's poor attempt at injecting HUMOUR. I' ll go some push up or something.
Boon.
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SHOMEN-ATE (TM), the solution to 90% of aikido and life's problems.
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11-14-2007, 12:20 AM
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#179
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Join Date: Jun 2003
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Re: Instructor got mad because I didnt fall
Quote:
Loh On Nin wrote:
Hi,
you are luckier than I am, I got kicked out of the dojo cos I fell in the wrong direction ( maybe 20 degrees off) after nage tried the second time.
The chief instructor went ballistic and would not even listen to my explaination.
Quite a few "my way or the highway" instructors around.
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Hi Loh,
I'm 100 Plus (%) sure that you were from a Yoshinkan dojo and the nage could be a kin of the chief instructor.
So, which highway are you on now? Look out for some billboards on aikido!!
Regards
David Y
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11-18-2007, 06:31 PM
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#180
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Dojo: Joshinkan
Location: Chapel Hill, NC
Join Date: Jun 2006
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Re: Instructor got mad because I didnt fall
It sounds like the black belt wasn't ready to receive information from you- I have found that some people get really over-concerned with rank and won't take instruction from someone they consider less-experienced.
Good information can come from everyone you train with, IMO, and you need to listen even if it is painful.
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11-18-2007, 07:50 PM
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#181
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Join Date: Nov 2004
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Re: Instructor got mad because I didnt fall
Of course it is preferable to communicate with your instructor, rather than stir up sentiments in a forum. Keep in mind that the uke must do the technique with the Nage. That is Aiki. Uke moving in the wrong direction is as bad as nage moving in the wrong direction.
And consider that by not co-operating you are opening up to an injury, possibly a break or a dislocation. Then your nage will be appear to be responsible.
There is a possibility that your nage is an unhinged control freak.
But remember, your first kyu test proceeds with ukemi. It is assumed that by that point you understand what is expected of you.
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11-19-2007, 04:41 PM
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#182
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Re: Instructor got mad because I didnt fall
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Vincent Nikopol wrote:
Of course it is preferable to communicate with your instructor, rather than stir up sentiments in a forum.
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But where's the fun in that? I want my forum entertainment, and I want it now!
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12-05-2007, 08:31 AM
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#183
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Re: Instructor got mad because I didnt fall
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Brian Vickery wrote:
Hi Andy,
Hey, you can't fix something if you don't know it's broken! He should be THANKING you instead of being pissed at you!
Just let it go, his ego will heal without you having to stroke it!
Keep the honesty in your training!
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AMEN
without the honesty in training you have nothing but social aikido
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12-06-2007, 03:30 AM
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#184
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Re: Instructor got mad because I didnt fall
"Your direction of the fall must be at exactly North 35.56 degrees East at exactly 12.06.45 pm in order to align with the Earth Meridian and Chi. No wonder your sensei chased you out of the dojo.. You did not conform to Feng Shui principles." XuZen wroye
That might just be it and I would have apologised if he had said exactly that before showing me the highway.
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12-13-2007, 12:58 PM
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#185
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Re: Instructor got mad because I didnt fall
He should thank you for being honest and continue to work on his jo-kata. Black belts sometimes colour the mind.
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05-01-2012, 12:43 AM
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#186
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Dojo: Oak Park Aikikai, IL
Location: Chicago, IL
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Re: Instructor got mad because I didnt fall
Simple: Kohai is always wrong. Accept it and move on.
In Good Practice...
Jim
www.nothing-works.com
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05-01-2012, 02:00 AM
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#187
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Dojo: Aikido Sangenkai
Location: Honolulu, Hawaii
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Re: Instructor got mad because I didnt fall
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James Sawers wrote:
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Sadao Yoshioka used to say..."Uke is never wrong". I tend to agree.
Best,
Chris
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05-01-2012, 09:52 AM
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Re: Instructor got mad because I didnt fall
Quick (temporary) post to let folks know that I've split off the posts on resurrecting old threads to here:
http://www.aikiweb.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21273
-- Jun
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05-01-2012, 01:02 PM
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#189
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Dojo: Tampa Judo and Aikido Dojo, Tampa, Fl
Location: Tampa, Florida
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Re: Instructor got mad because I didnt fall
I wouldn't worry about that jerk being mad at you because you didn't fall. Wow!!! If a "black belt" can't throw a lower ranking belt, then there is something wrong----NOT with your honesty but with his "skill", which doesn't sound too good to me. Had that happened in my dojo, I'd have run that "black belt" all the way to the West Coast and let him stay there. You did the right thing. Blow it off and continue to train.
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05-01-2012, 01:45 PM
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#190
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Location: vacaville ca
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Re: Instructor got mad because I didnt fall
I've got a great technique for you, its from kung-fu, and If your instructor is reading this, it'll give it all away.
The instructor is holding one end of the jo, and pushes the other end in your hands, which you grab, and pull on. After doing a tug of war for a while, to set him up, you let go of the jo, and, with one hand, you whip throw your end around the instructors neck, The jo is now wrapped around his neck, with him still holding on to one end of it. You step forward, grab the jo, hanging backwards around his neck, and using your other hand/arm, as well, execute an irimi -type throw on him.
Works like a charm against someone who's not ready for it.
But, be careful with it. they might kick you out of the dojo for embarrasing the instructor
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05-01-2012, 02:12 PM
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Location: CA
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Re: Instructor got mad because I didnt fall
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Phil Van Treese wrote:
I'd have run that "black belt" all the way to the West Coast and let him stay there.
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Just so long as they pay their dues on time then keep 'em coming. Otherwise please don't send them here.
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05-02-2012, 02:43 AM
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#192
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Dojo: Hinode Dojo LLC
Location: Omaha, Nebraska
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Re: Instructor got mad because I didnt fall
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Joe Cavazos wrote:
He shouldn't be mad at you.... He should be mad at himself....
I would not have fallen for a black belt ... maybe a kyu, but not a dan....
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Assuredly I say that he is mad with himself, just projecting his anger elsewhere.
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05-02-2012, 02:55 AM
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Dojo: Hinode Dojo LLC
Location: Omaha, Nebraska
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Re: Instructor got mad because I didnt fall
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Phil Van Treese wrote:
Wow!!! If a "black belt" can't throw a lower ranking belt, then there is something wrong----NOT with your honesty but with his "skill", which doesn't sound too good to me.
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I think we should all be honest, the "belt" no matter the color doesn't do the throwing.
The original post provides very little insight into what was going on. But based on the poster's level (orange belt) could it also be that the senior chose not to "force" the technique for fear of injuring a less experienced partner?
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Andy Orwig wrote:
Our head Sensei approached me and told me that 'my control' was not there and that the senior student was upset with me.
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This sounds less like a student that is waiting for a solid technique and more like a student that is providing too much resistance for safety concerns.
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