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Old 05-03-2007, 07:15 PM   #51
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Apparently i am wrong, though i dont in any way think so.
Maybe that is the hopeless romantic in me, i guess i just wish that this was the way things were. thanks all
Brian,
This is an area which you control... you decide what you think is honorable and do it. You don't do it because of some code you read about in a book. Most of the so-called "ideals" be it Bushido or the Code Chivalry or whatever are mythical in reality, just as the ideal of most religions are barely pursued by most of the folks who profess to believe in them. Actually, the folks who actually do manage to follow the ideals of their religious convictions we call Saints to denote the fact that they aren't like every body else.

If you think that loyalty is an important virtue, then be loyal; decide what that means to you and live up to your own ideal. Define it for yourself and don't worry about what others mean by it or whether they are or are not. That's not your problem.
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Old 05-04-2007, 11:31 AM   #52
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Exactly...and if your teacher's impression of the art and your own impression of the art should develop in different ways, it would be perfectly reasonable, under those circumstances, to look for a teacher whose vision is more closely aligned with your own.

A wise caveat would be that no one's vision will be exactly the same as your own (if you are at all developed as an individual human being), and simply blowing around from teacher to teacher is not likely to be productive, either.

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Ron
In my dojo, in my practice, we go from one partner to the next, all the while inhabiting our practice. We find a place of union in tai no henko were we look out, next to our partner, at the horizon that we both share. Practice with a teacher can be like that. They, a mountain guide pointing to the peak from a path that they have traveled a bit longer. Me, a wise follower who will certainly need to define my own relationship with that pass.

As they say in the 36 Chambers of the Shaolin: Master Killer, "Only one answer.....More Practice!!!"

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Old 05-11-2007, 07:35 AM   #53
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Heck if all my students would find someone else I could go fishing!
And just as you settle into your secret spot, strangers appear...
asking you teach them how to fish.

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Old 05-11-2007, 08:48 AM   #54
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Man Oh Man Schweer way to go!! Burst a man's bubble, walk on his dreams. bring him back to reality. Just when I was getting comfortable with the early stages of senility you come along an wake me up. Maybe I will take a pocket full of rocks to throw at the interlopers.

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Old 05-11-2007, 09:55 AM   #55
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Just don't use your katana to cut bait...
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Old 05-11-2007, 10:16 AM   #56
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Just don't use your katana to cut bait...
This is the last off topic post I will make.

Hell Bateman we used a Katana to cut Saotome Sensei cake for his 70th birthday party a couple weeks ago. Only problem is I can't remember if I washed it after cutting wada the night before.

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Old 05-11-2007, 12:12 PM   #57
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...we used a Katana to cut Saotome Sensei cake for his 70th birthday party a couple weeks ago...
There's something eerily symbolic in that... It's probably just as well that he's not noted for his contribution to the explosives industry...
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Old 05-12-2007, 07:14 AM   #58
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It's very important that people find the teacher that they want and commit but that choice can and does change over time. It's rather like Zeb training in which there are often three teachers, each handling a different stage of the progression.

I had a student who had been part of our organization since she started. She got up to Sandan with me. She met John Stevens Sensei through a seminar in which we hosted him and ended up deciding that she really wanted to follow him.

She wrote letters to Saotome Sensei and Ikeda Sensei thanking them for their many years of instruction, she thanked me as well, quite formally. Everything was above board and handled well. She now runs a dojo associated with Stevens Sensei but still comes by for seminars. I've been up to her place to teach as well.

This is a natural occurrence and when people handle things properly does not have to lead to bad feelings.
Spot on George!

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