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12-11-2006, 11:23 AM
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Re: Aikido: The learning of natural movement
Hi Dennis
Oddest thing is I only write like this when I am working allot. Its a commercial break for me. Cady called last night and said "You must be working at home on a deadline-you're writing....."
Watch...I'm gonna vanish and go print and mount presentation boards....
Jin with a "j" helps when you had to much Jin with a "g."
Particularly with Roses Lime juice. Its just goes down to easy.
As any Brit knows a Brittish Gimlet is better than that Russian drink.
Cheers
Dan
P.S. Don't worry everyone will start arguing soon....1.....2......3...
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12-11-2006, 11:54 AM
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Location: Durango, CO
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Re: Aikido: The learning of natural movement
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Dan Harden wrote:
only a very few concentrate on forgeting the waza and JUST train the body.
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You should be able to train this stuff just laying in bed, not moving, and not tensing any muscles. I leave it to David Orange to explain that in terms of "natural movement"... but I just told the truth.
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Mike
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12-11-2006, 02:43 PM
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Location: Rhode Island
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Re: Aikido: The learning of natural movement
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Mike Sigman wrote:
You should be able to train this stuff just laying in bed, not moving, and not tensing any muscles.
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Are you talking about training your nervous system independently from the muscles, tendons, bones? I think that kind of work complements any physical training. I've pretty sure it can even be used to improve a traditional bodybuilder's performance to some degree.
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12-11-2006, 03:04 PM
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Re: Aikido: The learning of natural movement
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Tom Holz wrote:
Are you talking about training your nervous system independently from the muscles, tendons, bones? I think that kind of work complements any physical training. I've pretty sure it can even be used to improve a traditional bodybuilder's performance to some degree.
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No, I'm not talking about that, Tom, it's something else. Surely you know what I'm talking about it? I showed it, admittedly only in passing, in Austin. Tensions are nice, but there's more things to it than that. As they, this is a very deep subject... and it really is.
Best.
Mike
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12-11-2006, 04:15 PM
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Dojo: Dartington
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Re: Aikido: The learning of natural movement
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Dan Harden wrote:
Jin with a "j" helps when you had to much Jin with a "g."
Particularly with Roses Lime juice. Its just goes down to easy.
As any Brit knows a Brittish Gimlet is better than that Russian drink.
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Sorry Dan, most Brits probably haven't ever heard of a Gimlet, the first time I ever had one was in the US
We do however agree that jin is better than wodka
regards,
Mark
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12-11-2006, 04:18 PM
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Re: Aikido: The learning of natural movement
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Mark Freeman wrote:
Sorry Dan, most Brits probably haven't ever heard of a Gimlet, the first time I ever had one was in the US
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Yeah, sure Mark. And I'll bet the French have never heard of French fries and French dressing, either.
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12-11-2006, 04:22 PM
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Dojo: Dartington
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Re: Aikido: The learning of natural movement
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Cady Goldfield wrote:
Yeah, sure Mark. And I'll bet the French have never heard of French fries and French dressing, either.
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Non, frites et vinaigrette sil vous plais
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Success is having what you want. Happiness is wanting what you have.
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12-11-2006, 04:24 PM
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Re: Aikido: The learning of natural movement
Vinegar on fries? Sacrilege!
Dennis, I'm glad I'm not the only one who was watching the Mike-George-Dan handoff as though it were a 3-way ping-pong match. In a nutshell, here's what they're basically saying: 1. if the stuff they're talking about is in the systems of the people who say they "have it," then those guys are either not showing it or they just plain don't have it. 2. Trying to arrive at common language to describe what is being done, is useless until you confirm *on the mats* that you're in fact talking about the same things. 3. shut up and train.
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12-11-2006, 04:36 PM
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Location: Rhode Island
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Re: Aikido: The learning of natural movement
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Mike Sigman wrote:
No, I'm not talking about that, Tom, it's something else. Surely you know what I'm talking about it? I showed it, admittedly only in passing, in Austin. Tensions are nice, but there's more things to it than that. As they, this is a very deep subject... and it really is.
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Hmm. If it's not breath-work, which is my second guess, I probably missed it. It's a deep subject, so give me a little time to start digging my own hole over here...
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12-11-2006, 05:10 PM
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Re: Aikido: The learning of natural movement
Shovel away, Tom. The big mistake for anyone is to assume that they "got it" from a fairly short exposure... even if they can do some basic jin stuff. I always assume there is something I am missing and.... voila"!!!!!!
Mike
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12-12-2006, 11:14 AM
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Re: Aikido: The learning of natural movement
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Dan Harden wrote:
Dave
This is what ...I.... try to do to make Aikido better
Go to open discussions and read.
My experience with Dan Harden
-I spent the night from 7:30 -midnight. With a couple of guys to get them started on basics. And put my own guys aside.
Read
Meeting with Dan Harden in Boston
I drove for and hour taught, and took Mark to dinner.
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Dave,
The latter person, Mark, was me. And I started the thread. It was an eye opening experience. One that I would gladly repeat. Dan was great, not just in skill, but in teaching, conversation, manner, and attitude.
I always tell friends and family this: When reading online, *every* and I do mean *every* emotion that the reader gets from reading comes from within the reader himself/herself. No emotion carries through from the pixels on the screen. You put all that there yourself.
Mark (just catching up from a week vacation)
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12-12-2006, 11:40 AM
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Dojo: Academy of Warrior Spirit
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Re: Aikido: The learning of natural movement
Mark,
Thank you Sir. If I was unwilling to look an ass to learn - I'd be unable to study aikido at all. Correction welcome.
David
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12-12-2006, 12:28 PM
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Re: Aikido: The learning of natural movement
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David Knowlton wrote:
Mark,
Thank you Sir. If I was unwilling to look an ass to learn - I'd be unable to study aikido at all. Correction welcome.
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ROTFL. That was great, Dave. Do you mind if I use that phrase? "If I was unwilling to look an ass to learn - I'd be unable to study aikido at all." I think that captures me perfectly at times.
Thanks,
Mark
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12-12-2006, 12:35 PM
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Re: Aikido: The learning of natural movement
Sorry, but years of work in mass communications force me to forbid you to use Dave's expression, unless he changes the first phrase to: "If I were unwilling to look an ass to learn..."
Sincerely,
The Grammar Patrol
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12-12-2006, 12:37 PM
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Re: Aikido: The learning of natural movement
Permission granted.
The discussions lately are pretty charged. I agree with everybody in part, and nobody in total. It's a pretty good scrap all in all.
I don't know where aikido is headed, but I do think it's up to us. I don't think it's embodied in OSensei. I think he showed us a way, and if he could have given it to us without taking any credit, he would have.
dave
ps. heavens Cady! Allow a redneck some license. that's why i picked this silly moniker - cultural identification. here's a disclaimer - 'redneck' does not necessitate 'bigot'. dk
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12-12-2006, 02:30 PM
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Re: Aikido: The learning of natural movement
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12-12-2006, 02:33 PM
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Dojo: Doshinkan dojo in Roxborough, Pa
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Re: Aikido: The learning of natural movement
Carefull...we can fix that!
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12-12-2006, 03:15 PM
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Re: Aikido: The learning of natural movement
Ron, to qualify for redneckdom, the individual has to supply his own car on blocks and overgrown "lawn." Anyway, he did say he wants a dog and gun rack for his Ford truck when he moves to Massachusetts.
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