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Old 11-19-2004, 09:52 AM   #1
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Aikido "street modified" clip

Some of you may be intrested in the clip/s here -

http://www.aikidoshudokan.com/store/videos.htm

Specifically the one called "Sokumen Iriminage (Side Entering Throw)" (1mb)

Done in the Dojo and then done in a bar, in street clothing. Interesting to see how things get modified.

FWIW. IMHO. YMMV.

PS: That shudokan stuff looks HaRdCoRe! Nice! (check out the end of the taisabaki clip)

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Old 11-19-2004, 10:06 PM   #2
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Re: Aikido "street modified" clip

Comments? Any others that you know of like this?
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Old 11-22-2004, 10:19 AM   #3
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Re: Aikido "street modified" clip

Very interesting!

As far as learning it from video, that style of teaching might be okay. But is all teaching of that style so stiff and robotic?

I'm not trying to be critical, but it doesn't seem as fluid or flowing as some shihan I have seen. And it may only be due to this being for video, but curious just the same.

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Old 11-22-2004, 01:07 PM   #4
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Re: Aikido "street modified" clip

The bar movie was interesting for the sokumen.

I'm wondering though why one would strike with what is basically aigamae ate (palm strike from the side) and then switch to gyakugamae ate (sokumen) when he could have just continued the palm strike into a throw from aigamae ate to begin with.

Maybe I'm being a "what if monkey" here, but from my experience the principle of economy of effort often determines the difference between an effective technique in "the street" and your attacker getting off an effective attack/counter attack of his own.

I guess the way I see it is if you have set up your body one way for a technique, why would you waste the time (and risk getting hit or taken to the ground) changing hands and doing another technique that would give the attacker an interval to try something? The sokumen looked good, and it was effective, but it may have been easier to apply straight line aigamae ate (iriminage) since that was the first strike the defender used and it was already set up for a successful aigamae throw before he switched to sokumen.

Then again I may just be nitpicking.

Just my thoughts.

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Old 11-22-2004, 01:49 PM   #5
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Re: Aikido "street modified" clip

Quote:
Bob Strahinjevich wrote:
Comments? Any others that you know of like this?
I'm aware of something similar being produced out of the UK by an online associate of mine. I'll let you know once it is availible and I have seen it, but it sounds like it's going to be pretty good.

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Old 11-22-2004, 07:17 PM   #6
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Re: Aikido "street modified" clip

It is yoshinkan, thus it is very robotic and stiff, maybe methodical would be a better descriptor. BTW, I am not knocking yoshinkan, I think the teaching methods are fantastic. The video clips look really good also!

For the yubishime, it has always been relayed to me that it is more practical to grab at least two to three fingers. In the case you get someone that is super flexible or double jointed, one finger (index) won't work too well. Along with the fact you are probably going to break the finger(s).. Comments?


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Old 11-22-2004, 07:51 PM   #7
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Re: Aikido "street modified" clip

Hi ya'll,

It may look stiff to non-Yoshinkaners, but that is how Yoshinkaners learn a technique, every part of the technique is broken down, analysed, then refitted together to make it a smooth powerful focused execution.

Boon.

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Old 11-23-2004, 04:55 PM   #8
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Re: Aikido "street modified" clip

The stiff / non-stiff thing is one of the visual differences in the way the styles are taught. As you move up in the ranks you get smoother.

I always tell people that Aikikai folks think Yoshikan people look like robots while Yoshinkan folks think Aikikai people look like they are about to fall over.

It's a different emphasis from the beginning but we're all climbing the same mountain.

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Old 11-23-2004, 05:40 PM   #9
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Re: Aikido "street modified" clip

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...visual differences ...
The irimi as shown in the dojo variatons are a visual lesson in posture, ma-ai and centred moving. Excellent clip

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