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05-13-2007, 11:04 AM
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What is the binding feature of O'Sensei's teaching and training?
After reading many insightful posts that relate to O'Sensei's practice of "Japanese MMA" in other threads ( Ueshiba on the Future of Aikido) I came to a point where I want to ask the above question:
In all of this myriad training of martial methods, farming methods, spiritual methods and community methods what was the binding feature that tied it together for him? In your view, please.
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05-13-2007, 11:40 AM
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Re: What is the binding feature of O'Sensei's teaching and training?
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Jennifer Smith wrote:
In all of this myriad training of martial methods, farming methods, spiritual methods and community methods what was the binding feature that tied it together for him? In your view, please.
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Unending practice moving from the center.
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05-13-2007, 12:54 PM
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Re: What is the binding feature of O'Sensei's teaching and training?
Ki development or what others would call kokyu or internal power is the prominent feature of Morihei Ueshiba's teaching and training.
Some people on these forums look to the founder as the source of aikido. However if you look at the founder's writings, he looks to the universe as the source of knowledge. He had a almost Platonic understanding of the universe in that there are absolute principles that lie beyond the relative world.
An irrational learning can be reached through physical training and practice. An irrational learning means not being able to put the experience in just words, thus it is a full understanding that enables the student to perform based on those principles.
It seems people have been misdirected by the founder's mystical approach. They look closely at each tree and cannot see the forest.
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05-13-2007, 01:09 PM
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Re: What is the binding feature of O'Sensei's teaching and training?
embracing conflict
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05-13-2007, 01:44 PM
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Re: What is the binding feature of O'Sensei's teaching and training?
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what was the binding feature that tied it together for him? In your view, please.
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IMHO, congruency.
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Lynn Seiser PhD
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05-13-2007, 02:11 PM
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Re: What is the binding feature of O'Sensei's teaching and training?
Fitting Appropriately.
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05-13-2007, 08:58 PM
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Re: What is the binding feature of O'Sensei's teaching and training?
An interesting question.
Personally, I think it is.... depth. Ulitmately, perhaps, it became spiritual depth.
I think that, at some level, he was always looking for a deeper experience, and that was what lead him forward.
Not something that is easily described, but he knew it when he found it. And it seems that, to him, he found it several times in his life - in something about what he experienced and learned from Takeda, in something that he experienced and learned from Deguchi, and in something that he learned from his own path that grew out of those experiences.
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05-13-2007, 09:40 PM
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Re: What is the binding feature of O'Sensei's teaching and training?
Kisshomaru Ueshiba's biography of his father (Aikido Taiso Ueshiba Morihei Den) is at present being translated into English. When it appears, you will have a much better basis for debating this question. The biography, though written from a certain viewpoint, contains a wealth of information.
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05-13-2007, 09:47 PM
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Re: What is the binding feature of O'Sensei's teaching and training?
I would say, from what I have been able to gather up until now, it would be a "union with God" and/or "a reconciliation of fear" and/or "a personal embodiment of Love" - all the same thing.
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05-13-2007, 11:12 PM
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Re: What is the binding feature of O'Sensei's teaching and training?
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In all of this myriad training of martial methods, farming methods, spiritual methods and community methods what was the binding feature that tied it together for him?
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Your answer is in your question. Musubi (結び), of course. Tied up. With a lovely bow.
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05-14-2007, 04:11 PM
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Re: What is the binding feature of O'Sensei's teaching and training?
Awesome thread...
Harmony with and reverance for all creation.
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05-14-2007, 05:07 PM
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Re: What is the binding feature of O'Sensei's teaching and training?
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Awesome thread...
Harmony with and reverance for all creation.
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I agree. It was harmony of mind, body and spirit. And it was also harmony of self, the world, and others.
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05-15-2007, 10:33 AM
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Re: What is the binding feature of O'Sensei's teaching and training?
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it would be a "union with God" and/or "a reconciliation of fear" and/or "a personal embodiment of Love" - all the same thing.
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Congruency
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05-15-2007, 10:38 AM
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Re: What is the binding feature of O'Sensei's teaching and training?
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It was harmony of mind, body and spirit. And it was also harmony of self, the world, and others.
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Congruency
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Lynn Seiser PhD
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05-15-2007, 10:39 AM
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Re: What is the binding feature of O'Sensei's teaching and training?
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Fitting Appropriately.
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Congruency
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Lynn Seiser PhD
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05-15-2007, 05:51 PM
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Different students
I might slide a bit off topic here, judging from how the above posts have responded to the question.
One thing about Osensei's teaching that never ceases to impress me, is that his students developed in differing directions. Although they had the same teacher, and no doubt an impressive one, their aikido differs immensely.
As a teacher, I try to remember that.
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05-15-2007, 06:14 PM
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Re: What is the binding feature of O'Sensei's teaching and training?
Does congruence really imply "union"? Can you really say to your wife, "I so congruence you my darling." She might slap you! ;-)
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05-15-2007, 08:27 PM
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Re: What is the binding feature of O'Sensei's teaching and training?
True, but she might not if you say, "You and I are in congruence."
Back on topic, though, at this point, my view is that the binding feature of O'Sensei's teaching is irimi--to enter unafraid--where, when and how needed.
So, irimi complete, I tenkan ...
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05-19-2007, 12:15 PM
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Re: What is the binding feature of O'Sensei's teaching and training?
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IMHO, congruency.
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Would you please elaborate on your thoughts and provide examples of 'congruency'. I enjoy this response and would like to hear more.
thanks
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05-19-2007, 12:22 PM
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Re: What is the binding feature of O'Sensei's teaching and training?
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Your answer is in your question. Musubi (??), of course. Tied up. With a lovely bow.
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1st let me achnowledge the rhetorical nature of my question.
Of course the answer is the question.
But what quality connects these practices? What features create musubi between farming, art and budo?
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05-19-2007, 12:27 PM
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Re: What is the binding feature of O'Sensei's teaching and training?
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Kisshomaru Ueshiba's biography of his father (Aikido Taiso Ueshiba Morihei Den) is at present being translated into English. When it appears, you will have a much better basis for debating this question. The biography, though written from a certain viewpoint, contains a wealth of information.
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I think we have a wonderful basis for discussion given the beautiful volume of information that is already available. If you have pre-insight into the contents of this text, than you have the information available at this moment and it certainly is coursing within you. So, give. I suspect many of us are aleady hot on track.
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05-19-2007, 05:28 PM
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Re: What is the binding feature of O'Sensei's teaching and training?
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Would you please elaborate on your thoughts and provide examples of 'congruency'. I enjoy this response and would like to hear more. thanks
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Congruency: body, mind, and spirt in agreement, aligned, in harmony.
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05-19-2007, 05:39 PM
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Re: What is the binding feature of O'Sensei's teaching and training?
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Congruency: body, mind, and spirt in agreement, aligned, in harmony.
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Ki, Ken, Tai, Itchi is an old budo discription of the the same thing.
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05-20-2007, 04:25 AM
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Re: What is the binding feature of O'Sensei's teaching and training?
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Ki, Ken, Tai, Itchi is an old budo discription of the the same thing.
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Osu Sensei,
IMHO, incongruency is a major problem, going in opposition to what we know is true and what is the right thing to do.
Re, Domo.
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Lynn Seiser PhD
Yondan Aikido & FMA/JKD
We do not rise to the level of our expectations, but fall to the level of our training. Train well. KWATZ!
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05-20-2007, 07:52 AM
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Re: What is the binding feature of O'Sensei's teaching and training?
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Congruency: body, mind, and spirt in agreement, aligned, in harmony.
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Thank you, Lynn. I am aware of the definition of congruency as agreement. I was hoping for a concrete example from your own experience that would color your notion that the binding feature is agreement.I would seek to ask anyone what creates congruency? Where is it displayed in all of the above arts? Specifically.
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