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Old 09-11-2004, 11:25 AM   #26
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Aren't waiters wonderful! You ask for stuff and they bring it to you!
Waiter, another drink for myself and my friend Don.

Sorry I missed you here this last weekend, Don. Family would have freaked if I did not stay and "batton down the hatches for Frances."
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Old 09-11-2004, 12:20 PM   #27
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Sorry I missed you here this last weekend, Don. Family would have freaked if I did not stay and "batton down the hatches for Frances."
Me, too, but, geez, it threatened to come in at Cat. 4! Now I'm debating heading up for a visit with Alan in Titusville, although the news seems to be plotting it into the Gulf.

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Old 09-12-2004, 05:05 PM   #28
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I was playing airsoft with some people the other day and this kid who found out I am into martial arts dug his rifle into the middle of my back unexpectedly. I put my right arm down and turned my body into him and just happened to have my soft air pistol in my left hand. It ended up with his rifle pointing away from me (my right arm holding it) and my pistol in my left hand pointing right at his goggles. I did not mean for that to happen it just did. I think he was a bit suprised. He then asked me if I was military, lol. I said, "Nope, too much politics involved with that stuff."
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Old 09-12-2004, 08:47 PM   #29
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Do you tip waiters--or not--in Malaysia?
Tip? What is that? Is it giving some extra money to a total stranger for some service provided which you are already charged?

Oh yes, I remember, we don't tip per se here. Over here the F&B industry always include a 10% surcharge on your bill called service tax, inccidently the tax is to be pass back to the waiters, waitresses and other floor staff of any F&B establishment. So patrons do not have a say whether to tip or not, you already tipped the moment you order.

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Old 09-13-2004, 03:34 AM   #30
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This is my last word on "real life experiences" (RLE). In one thread someone mentioned to me that going to a dojo to train will refine my techniques. Firstly, that's not why I'm going. Secondly, my techniques work fine.

In a dojo uke is compliant. A real attacker is violent, unpredictable, really wants to hurt you, maybe fuelled by strong mind-altering drugs, may be armed, and is certainly NOT compliant. So, whoever said a dojo will "refine my techniques" is missing the point. I'm going to a dojo for Spiritual reasons.

To this person I say, try and apply a "textbook" technique in such circumstances. If I manage to control the attacker and apply a joint lock, frankly I don't care if it's "perfect" - all I care about is that I've stopped the attack!

Remember, there are no examiners with clip boards standing watching you and rating your "technical performance". Get real!

Here's an example of one attack. While walking home from a friends' late one night, I was approached by two young men. One pulled out a knife while the other stood just at my side - he was BIG! My initially response was to say, "It's okay I'll give you my money, just don't hurt me". I kept eye contact with the knife wielder and saw him relax a bit. Then suddenly I felt the big guy going through my pockets!

I "switched the switch". Struck the guy with knife with a full on front kick to his chest, which sent him and his knife flying. I immediately turned round and tried to grab hold of the attacker while receiving several punches. Eventually I got an arm lock on him and then a kotegaeshi, which took him down.

This happened so quickly, I had no time to think - I just reacted. Whether my locks were "textbook" I don't care. I ran off leaving them shouting abuse at me while crying out in pain, and luckily got a taxi home. That's Aikido in action.

So please, no more preaching. I've been there and survived.

I mean no offense to whoever said I would refine my techniques at the dojo - no doubt I shall, but that's not the point of Aikido anyway - for me.

Iain.
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Old 09-14-2004, 12:22 PM   #31
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This is my last word on "real life experiences" (RLE). In one thread someone mentioned to me that going to a dojo to train will refine my techniques. Firstly, that's not why I'm going. Secondly, my techniques work fine.

In a dojo uke is compliant. A real attacker is violent, unpredictable, really wants to hurt you, maybe fuelled by strong mind-altering drugs, may be armed, and is certainly NOT compliant. So, whoever said a dojo will "refine my techniques" is missing the point. I'm going to a dojo for Spiritual reasons.

To this person I say, try and apply a "textbook" technique in such circumstances. If I manage to control the attacker and apply a joint lock, frankly I don't care if it's "perfect" - all I care about is that I've stopped the attack!

Remember, there are no examiners with clip boards standing watching you and rating your "technical performance". Get real!

Iain.
Lain,
I once got asked what would make me want to fight someone? The answer: To Survive.
The dojo is a place to learn - whatever you are choosing to learn and whatever the individual reasons. An attack from some one other than a fellow student is not about philosophy, not about refinement, and not about honor, it is onlt about surviving!

Glad you survived your encounter!
Hey anyone see my clipboard?! I need to rate his technical performance.
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Old 09-18-2004, 10:53 AM   #32
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The dojo is a place to learn - whatever you are choosing to learn and whatever the individual reasons. An attack from some one other than a fellow student is not about philosophy, not about refinement, and not about honor, it is onlt about surviving
My thai boxing / brazilian jiu jitsu teacher always says this: "You fight how you train." So i also believe the techniques in Aikido are "not about philosophy, not about refinement, and not about honor". They are a group of wrist locks and takedowns to be trained and used when needed in a life threatening situation. When you think about it and get away from all of the bs in martial arts, you see this. Take bouncers and police officers, both use aikido to escort or apprehend people. They do not practice any "aiki way", they train for real against a person trying to take their head off and they handle the situation. Thats all a martial art is...techniques evaluated that work better in a fight than unprepared wild swinging. Hope this makes sense.

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Old 09-20-2004, 11:42 AM   #33
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They are a group of wrist locks and takedowns to be trained and used when needed in a life threatening situation.
Someone once posted here, something like, the techniques we do are the "jitsu", how we transfer the lessons learned from those techniques to our life is the "do". I tend to agree.

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Take bouncers and police officers, both use aikido to escort or apprehend people. They do not practice any "aiki way", they train for real against a person trying to take their head off and they handle the situation.
I know (because I've asked them) the officers I train with get as much if not more use from the so called spiritual side of our particualr training. They like good effective technique as much as the next guy but say the mental calmness and centerdness they've learned while training is much more useful to them. Many of them will tell you stories of how they used their aikido training in some situation...most of these stories do not involve a physical technique.

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Thats all a martial art is...techniques evaluated that work better in a fight than unprepared wild swinging.
That's one of the things it can be. Calligraphy can be just writing, or it can become a deep study of self. A drawing can be just a way to convey information visually, or it can be a deep expression of the inner self of the artist. Anything when studied with that intention can bring lessons that further us along a spiritual path....why should MA's be any different.

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Hope this makes sense.
It does, and I hope my differing viewpoint also makes sense to you

Bronson

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