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Old 01-13-2005, 05:03 AM   #1
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Question do you MASTER this Technique???

Hello Aikido lovers
thank god that aikido is not a girl


I have a quistion accurs in my mind every time I practice an aikido technique.

the quistion is:
do I master this technique?


when can I say that?
actually
when my body can say that?
when can do the technique imediatly without thinking in a real situation?


how can I test myself?
whats the real measure for it?


many quistions in my mind and many answers in yours
so bless me with them

thank you
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Old 01-13-2005, 05:59 AM   #2
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Re: do you MASTER this Technique???

Quote:- "Hello Aikido lovers
thank god that aikido is not a girl "

Whats wrong with girls?

To answer the question.
I dont think you ever really master a technique, just get better at hiding the imperfections. (Like life really)
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Old 01-13-2005, 06:25 AM   #3
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Your right Philip.
Its one of those intangibles, everytime you perform a technique you change it slightly so its no longer the technique you started out trying to master. We may have to look beyond convention (technique) ??
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Old 01-13-2005, 07:17 AM   #4
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Re: do you MASTER this Technique???

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Your right Philip.
Its one of those intangibles, everytime you perform a technique you change it slightly so its no longer the technique you started out trying to master. We may have to look beyond convention (technique) ??
Pete
Is that a tongue in cheek response Peter? I suspect it is....

I hope that as everyone progresses they do look beyond technique and see the techniques as vehicles for mastering the bases of aikido.

Mastery of technique for me is not the aim of aikido.

Mastery of the bases and applying them in perfect proportion is.

Cheers

D
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Old 01-13-2005, 07:43 AM   #5
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Re: do you MASTER this Technique???

You never master anything. The further along the path you get, the more you see you have to learn.

The people who understand, understand prefectly.
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Old 01-13-2005, 09:05 AM   #6
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Re: do you MASTER this Technique???

Mastering a 'technique' is a bit limited, in that we are blending with a real person. The technique is thus adapted to their movement, and thus there really is only one technique.

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Old 01-13-2005, 09:07 AM   #7
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Re: do you MASTER this Technique???

"thank god that aikido is not a girl "

Care to tell us exactly what you mean by this?

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Old 01-13-2005, 10:55 AM   #8
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Re: do you MASTER this Technique???

Hi, Jo. See you got here before me today! Yep, inquiring women want to know.

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Old 01-13-2005, 10:56 AM   #9
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Re: do you MASTER this Technique???

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Mastering a 'technique' is a bit limited, in that we are blending with a real person. The technique is thus adapted to their movement, and thus there really is only one technique.
Interesting. I agree completely with the first part, but I'd be more inclined to say there are myriad techniques. Each moment is unique, each attack is unique, each attackers is unique, so each technique is unique which is why you'll never master them! Unless you're talking about the technique of that moment in which case of course there should be only one.

I should qualify, I did master a technique, but only one time! I hardly moved, I didn't think, and my partner was on the floor, safe, with neither of us knowing what had happened! It never happened again though! I lost sight of it, and now I don't search for them any more, as I believe more in principle-based MA than technique based. Maybe I'll be able to mount the Ox next time I see it!
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Old 01-13-2005, 01:37 PM   #10
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Re: do you MASTER this Technique???

I think there is always room for improvement.

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Old 01-13-2005, 04:32 PM   #11
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Re: do you MASTER this Technique???

If aikido was a woman, would hakama be Pink ???

Hmm... scary thought.

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Old 01-13-2005, 04:41 PM   #12
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Re: do you MASTER this Technique???

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"thank god that aikido is not a girl "

Care to tell us exactly what you mean by this?
I think what he means is that if aikido was a girl, she would be in the practice of polygamy because there are so many of us "aikido lovers." Get it?

"Fighting for peace is like screwing for virginity"
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Old 01-13-2005, 06:43 PM   #13
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Re: do you MASTER this Technique???

No.
It sounds to me very much like certain Middle Eastern ethnic groups and religions where the men pray every morning to thank God they weren't born a woman.

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Old 01-13-2005, 07:07 PM   #14
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Re: do you MASTER this Technique???

Blending with and redirecting the topic back now.... :-)

When you can perform the technique perfectly on every single person you meet, every single time, in every single situation, then you have "mastered" it. But until then, just strive to aim for perfection - it's much easier :-))

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Old 01-13-2005, 07:43 PM   #15
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Re: do you MASTER this Technique???

Quote:
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If aikido was a woman, would hakama be Pink ???
Hmm... scary thought.
Why? hakama are made, and worn, in all colors in Japan.

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Old 01-13-2005, 07:44 PM   #16
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Re: do you MASTER this Technique???

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No.
It sounds to me very much like certain Middle Eastern ethnic groups and religions where the men pray every morning to thank God they weren't born a woman.

Would you have said that if the name beside the post was "Bob" instead of "Khaled"?


Maybe he's just making a joke about maybe one day being able to understand Aikido better than he can understand women.
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Old 01-13-2005, 08:54 PM   #17
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Re: do you MASTER this Technique???

Hi Stuart,

Your reply to Jo Adell is pretty level headed. I like it. I too think Khaled's question mean what you say i.e., Aikido can be easier to understand than women or something in that sort of line.

Khaled,

When can you master a technique? Nobody knows, but when you know you know it, nobody can tell you except yourself.

To illustrate... I have been an aikido practitioner for many years. I have always thought sokumen iriminage or iriminage was done with arm slamming against throat of uke. Something like clothesline technique you see in Pro Wrestling matches on TV. Sometimes when my uke is smaller than me, it work. And if the uke is much bigger than me... it did not.

However, just recently, my sensei corrected me and I can succesfully execute the aforementioned technique irrespective big or small uke, provided I follow the principles of aikido e.g., kuzushi (breaking of balance) among other things.

Does that mean I have "mastered" the technique? Personally I don't think so. It just means I learned the right way of doing things.

My two cents worth of opinion,

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Old 01-13-2005, 08:55 PM   #18
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Re: do you MASTER this Technique???

I'd still like to hear from him.

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Old 01-13-2005, 08:55 PM   #19
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Re: do you MASTER this Technique???

Yes, Stuart, I would say exactly the same thing.
I was referring to Judaism.
I am a Jew.
That kind of attitude drove me away from my ethnic heritage.

Last edited by Qatana : 01-13-2005 at 08:57 PM.

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Old 01-13-2005, 09:55 PM   #20
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You need about 6 months to master aikido. O sensei told it one day.

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Old 01-13-2005, 10:38 PM   #21
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Quote:
Khaled Abdullah wrote:
Hello Aikido lovers
Quote:
thank god that aikido is not a girl
Not a execpetable in any form in my option. Very distasteful use of God and too all female Aikido students.


I have a quistion accurs in my mind every time I practice an aikido technique.

the quistion is:
do I master this technique?


when can I say that?
actually
when my body can say that?
when can do the technique imediatly without thinking in a real situation?


how can I test myself?
whats the real measure for it?


many quistions in my mind and many answers in yours
so bless me with them

thank you
Your Distasteful of "thank God Aikido is not a Girl". The question of : Do I master this technique? I think you better Master proper edict and respect for all gender training Aikido. If you are ever going to have a response to your Quote or any other future response with that kind of attitude on the Aiki Web.

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Old 01-13-2005, 10:51 PM   #22
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Re: do you MASTER this Technique???

i'd like to know what he meant by that line as well. still, i have to give him the benefit of the doubt, maybe his english needs some mastering, too.

we never really master the technique. we keep refining and refining it until it works best for us, i think.
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Old 01-14-2005, 02:19 PM   #23
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Re: do you MASTER this Technique???

Hi again

my reply is for AIKIDO LOVERS only , not for those racists radically BoNeHeAdS!!!

What I meant by
(Hello Aikido lovers
thank god that aikido is not a girl) is:

If aikido was a girl then I’ll be so tired fighting struggling to win her heart because I love her SO MUCH and many guys do.
sooner or later I'll be the winner but my face will be like this

I’m muslim and that’s what I pray every time to god thanking him for Islam and for his great prophet Mohammed (peace be upon him) who said: (heaven is beneath mothers feet)

Now back to Aikido

Actually I do the technique perfectly in the dojo . From the 2nd or the 3rd time and my instructor is always impressed of my quick learning.
My question is can I say that I’ve mastered this technique?
What do I need more?
I asked my instructor this question and he said ( I’ll answer you next year or the year after) then he smiled!!!

Thanks again.
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Old 01-14-2005, 02:41 PM   #24
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Re: do you MASTER this Technique???

If aikido was a girl then I'll be so tired fighting struggling to win her heart because I love her SO MUCH and many guys do.
sooner or later I'll be the winner but my face will be like this



QUOTE]

AWWWWWWWW thatis SOOOOO Sweet!
Sorry I jumped down your throat about it, I wish you had just said that to begin with!

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Old 01-14-2005, 07:51 PM   #25
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Re: do you MASTER this Technique???

A classic case of misunderstanding due to micommunication btw Khaled & Qatana. Isn't internet great for allowing exchange of ideas and thoughts btw people who are geographically seperated by massive oceans? Now, go back to the mats to train.



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