Welcome to AikiWeb Aikido Information
AikiWeb: The Source for Aikido Information
AikiWeb's principal purpose is to serve the Internet community as a repository and dissemination point for aikido information.

Sections
home
aikido articles
columns

Discussions
forums
aikiblogs

Databases
dojo search
seminars
image gallery
supplies
links directory

Reviews
book reviews
video reviews
dvd reviews
equip. reviews

News
submit
archive

Miscellaneous
newsletter
rss feeds
polls
about

Follow us on



Home > AikiWeb Aikido Forums
Go Back   AikiWeb Aikido Forums > General

Hello and thank you for visiting AikiWeb, the world's most active online Aikido community! This site is home to over 22,000 aikido practitioners from around the world and covers a wide range of aikido topics including techniques, philosophy, history, humor, beginner issues, the marketplace, and more.

If you wish to join in the discussions or use the other advanced features available, you will need to register first. Registration is absolutely free and takes only a few minutes to complete so sign up today!

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 03-26-2006, 03:56 PM   #301
Adam Alexander
Dojo: none currently
Join Date: Jan 2005
Posts: 499
United_States
Offline
Re: ?? Exaggeration in Aikido ??

Quote:
James Kelly wrote:
Did you mean to say this...?
Considering that it was in response to your 'I'm going for a throw and uke loses his balance,' do I need to respond?
  Reply With Quote
Old 03-27-2006, 04:32 PM   #302
James Kelly
Dojo: Glendale Aikikai
Location: Los Angeles
Join Date: Oct 2003
Posts: 109
United Nations
Offline
Re: ?? Exaggeration in Aikido ??

Quote:
Jean de Rochefort wrote:
Considering that it was in response to your 'I'm going for a throw and uke loses his balance,' do I need to respond?
Yes, please respond because I have no idea what you're talking about. If uke trips over something, then maybe it's aikido, if nage does something to take uke's balance then it's not aikido...? I thought the point of aikido (or part of the point) was to take uke's balance. At least that's what I've been training all these years. So in my example, I go for a throw and I succeed in kuzushi, but the throw I was going for (I'm not yet at the level where I can be totally detached from the outcome of technique so I'm still stuck in the paradigm where I'm trying for something specific) doesn't come off... so I change... do you see why I might need clarification here?
  Reply With Quote
Old 03-29-2006, 11:28 AM   #303
Kevin Leavitt
 
Kevin Leavitt's Avatar
Dojo: Team Combat USA
Location: Olympia, Washington
Join Date: Jul 2002
Posts: 4,376
United_States
Offline
Re: ?? Exaggeration in Aikido ??

I think you guys will argue all day long about technique and situations being defined as aikido or not.

An outsider seeing a technique may not know a damn thing about aikido and say it was Kung Fu or Tai Chi. Not to get philosophical, but...does it make him wrong because he defines it as such?

Okay. I think what is makes it aikido is that you skillfully resolve the conflict using the least possible force and attempt to reconcile as much of the situation as possible. It is not technique based!

Removing the need to validate yourself from the equation (ego) makes it possible to do this by focusing on the other person and why they feel the way they do! That would make it aikido in my book.

To me, if the guy attacked, tripped himself up, fell, and then you graciously picked him up while guarding yourself, allowing him to not be further humiliated, and walked away...to me that would be aikido!
  Reply With Quote
Old 03-29-2006, 05:57 PM   #304
Adam Alexander
Dojo: none currently
Join Date: Jan 2005
Posts: 499
United_States
Offline
Re: ?? Exaggeration in Aikido ??

Quote:
Kevin Leavitt wrote:
I think you guys will argue all day long about technique and situations being defined as aikido or not.

An outsider seeing a technique may not know a damn thing about aikido and say it was Kung Fu or Tai Chi. Not to get philosophical, but...does it make him wrong because he defines it as such?

Okay. I think what is makes it aikido is that you skillfully resolve the conflict using the least possible force and attempt to reconcile as much of the situation as possible. It is not technique based!

Removing the need to validate yourself from the equation (ego) makes it possible to do this by focusing on the other person and why they feel the way they do! That would make it aikido in my book.

To me, if the guy attacked, tripped himself up, fell, and then you graciously picked him up while guarding yourself, allowing him to not be further humiliated, and walked away...to me that would be aikido!
I'm not to worried about it either way. I think, for the most part, either I've gotten my point across to a couple people or I've come to recognize that they're really not at the level to understand it.

On the question of definition, it's the same as any other word: It's a method of transferring data.

Does the definition matter? Yes, because without a mutual understanding of a definition, no data can be transmitted-- Imagine what would happen if we cut the English language in half: an enormous amount of thought and the ability to convey complex ideas would be totally lost.

Personally, to find others who understand and agree with the definition I advance is important because it gives me others to communicate concepts. Without others who understand it as I do, I have no one to talk to (To the crybabies: This isn't necessarily saying that I know better than you, so don't start crying.).

Your definition of Aikido being helping a person up is valid. However, if the discussion is about technical details, then that definition wouldn't be suitable.

I think we see this a lot. One person advances some technically effective idea, and the response is something about philosophy. That's because one person's using the word one way, while the other's using it differently.

You can't communicate without understanding.
  Reply With Quote
Old 03-29-2006, 07:57 PM   #305
Aristeia
Location: Auckland
Join Date: Sep 2002
Posts: 971
New Zealand
Offline
Re: ?? Exaggeration in Aikido ??

Quote:
Jean de Rochefort wrote:
I'm not to worried about it either way. I think, for the most part, either I've gotten my point across to a couple people or I've come to recognize that they're really not at the level to understand it.
Really? You don't account for the possibility you've been unclear?

"When your only tool is a hammer every problem starts to look like a nail"
  Reply With Quote
Old 03-30-2006, 12:34 PM   #306
Adam Alexander
Dojo: none currently
Join Date: Jan 2005
Posts: 499
United_States
Offline
Re: ?? Exaggeration in Aikido ??

Quote:
Michael Fooks wrote:
Really? You don't account for the possibility you've been unclear?
When you're ready, you'll understand.
  Reply With Quote

Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Omoto-kyo Theology senshincenter Spiritual 80 06-10-2022 08:32 AM
Instructor got mad because I didnt fall actoman Training 192 05-02-2012 02:55 AM
Aikido in Amsterdam, Terry Lax style... tiyler_durden General 11 11-03-2008 08:31 AM
Women and Everybody Else in Aikido George S. Ledyard Teaching 113 03-16-2008 07:27 PM
For Ted Ehara - Boundary of your aikido? billybob General 123 12-18-2006 04:52 AM


All times are GMT -6. The time now is 03:27 AM.



vBulletin Copyright © 2000-2024 Jelsoft Enterprises Limited
----------
Copyright 1997-2024 AikiWeb and its Authors, All Rights Reserved.
----------
For questions and comments about this website:
Send E-mail
plainlaid-picaresque outchasing-protistan explicantia-altarage seaford-stellionate