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12-09-2001, 01:59 PM
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Dojo: Masagatsu Aikido Dojo Springs
Location: Springs (South Africa)
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The rank of Shiran
Hi there
Has any of you people heard of the rank of Shiran? I know Kancho, Soke, Shihan, Renshi, etc., but our previous instructor called himself Shiran.
Can anybody please tell me if such a rank exists and what it means because I have never read anywhere about it.
Thanks
Jacques
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Masakatsu Agatsu
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12-09-2001, 02:29 PM
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Dojo: S&G BJJ
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Re: The rank of Shiran
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Originally posted by Jacques
Has any of you people heard of the rank of Shiran?
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I've never heard of it. Jun speaks Nihongo fluently; he could probably give you a better answer.
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Greg Jennings
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12-09-2001, 04:09 PM
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Dojo: Shodokan Honbu (Osaka)
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Sounds like someone misheard something somewhere.
Either Jacques or his previous instructor.
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12-09-2001, 08:44 PM
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shiran is often used as a short way of saying shiranai which means "I don't know". It also means a bletilla. Some kind of plant I guess. I have an electronic dictionary on my desk.
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12-10-2001, 09:21 AM
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Re: The rank of Shiran
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Originally posted by Jacques
Has any of you people heard of the rank of Shiran?
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Nope.
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I know Kancho, Soke, Shihan, Renshi, etc., but our previous instructor called himself Shiran.
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Japanese people won't refer to themselves as sensei, shihand, kancho, soke, or whatever as referring to their "rank". The only time they'll do so is if the term describes what they do as in, "Hi, I'm Yamada. I'm a teacher." Never would they say, "Hi, I'm Yamada sensei."
-- Jun
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12-10-2001, 11:45 AM
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Dojo: Masagatsu Aikido Dojo Springs
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Re: Re: The rank of Shiran
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Originally posted by akiy
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Nope.
Hi Jun
Thanks for such a short answer.
Japanese people won't refer to themselves as sensei, shihand, kancho, soke, or whatever as referring to their "rank". The only time they'll do so is if the term describes what they do as in, "Hi, I'm Yamada. I'm a teacher." Never would they say, "Hi, I'm Yamada sensei."
-- Jun
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I have heard this as well. Thanks for your reply.
Jacques
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Masakatsu Agatsu
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