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Old 07-31-2018, 01:02 PM   #1
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Hi,

I noticed a very unusual movement when watching a video of Yoko Okamoto Shihan during a morotedori attack (2 hands grabbing wrist). In my limited 3.5 years of (Aikikai) aikido experience, I have never seen anyone else place their feet like that. I tried it out in our dojo and it is surprisingly effective. Below is a link someone else posted of her teaching and demonstrating what I am talking about. Does anyone else do that? Is this "common"?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YyVh6AFS9xc
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Old 07-31-2018, 06:23 PM   #2
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Re: Unusual feet movement in morotedori

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Hi,

I noticed a very unusual movement when watching a video of Yoko Okamoto Shihan during a morotedori attack (2 hands grabbing wrist). In my limited 3.5 years of (Aikikai) aikido experience, I have never seen anyone else place their feet like that. I tried it out in our dojo and it is surprisingly effective. Below is a link someone else posted of her teaching and demonstrating what I am talking about. Does anyone else do that? Is this "common"?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YyVh6AFS9xc
Not common but foot walk doesn't matter much. It's just to create space and get uke pulled by moving body backward. So she can handle uke easily since she takes balance before applying techniques. Btw, she makes herself unbalanced and use the power that her body moves to regain the balance. It's effective but can be exploited since she makes herself unbalanced.
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Old 08-01-2018, 12:46 AM   #3
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Re: Unusual feet movement in morotedori

Interesting. It looks to some extent like the irimi-tenkan og Nishios Sensei except He would do it from a more ai hanmi katatetori looking approach to have ukes balance continue forward and in a circular path. However from morotetori it is new to me. Main point must be to maintain the front towards uke and make sure kusushi happens from body movement and not from strength. This reflects on the interplay of atemi from right and left side with Tori. Worth exploring I think.

Here is an example of an omote version: https://youtu.be/XfheWg0WdVE

And in this you can see a lot of morotetori variations including some to an ura approach: https://youtu.be/MOdzF8mbi3Y

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Old 08-01-2018, 06:28 AM   #4
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Re: Unusual feet movement in morotedori

It's interesting, thank you for sharing.
I'm familiar with this specific foot movement from a Jo kata taught by Hiroshi Tada sensei. It is called Wakayama 1952, because, as far as I know, Tada sensei has seen O-sensei perform this sequence of movements in this place and time. Check out the part that begins in 1:53
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=obDNZag5aHQ
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Old 08-01-2018, 11:06 AM   #5
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Re: Unusual feet movement in morotedori

IME that's not unusual. If you're standing face to face and you need to get behind someone, you have to make up that distance somehow.
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Old 08-01-2018, 12:21 PM   #6
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Re: Unusual feet movement in morotedori

assuming uke didn't grab and pull

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Old 08-01-2018, 04:11 PM   #7
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Re: Unusual feet movement in morotedori

She gets away with that in the example because her partners are not asked to try and stop her during this movement. The footwork creates a large weakness in her structure, but the movement and vector is basically the same thing that I would do, just changing the order of the footwork to protect my own balance.

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Old 08-03-2018, 05:41 AM   #8
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assuming uke didn't grab and pull
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She gets away with that in the example because her partners are not asked to try and stop her during this movement.
Yes, this was assumed, otherwise there'd be a tug of war.

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The footwork creates a large weakness in her structure
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Btw, she makes herself unbalanced and use the power that her body moves to regain the balance. It's effective but can be exploited since she makes herself unbalanced.
Never noticed the unbalanced part until you pointed that out. Tried it out again this week with our group and there is indeed a small but very significant moment of being unbalanced in the initial movement, especially if the back heel does not touch the ground.

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Main point must be to maintain the front towards uke and make sure kusushi happens from body movement and not from strength.
Yes, I believe this was the purpose as well; it's just strange to me that the movement was so direct in this particular example.

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I'm familiar with this specific foot movement from a Jo kata taught by Hiroshi Tada sensei. It is called Wakayama 1952, because, as far as I know, Tada sensei has seen O-sensei perform this sequence of movements in this place and time. Check out the part that begins in 1:53
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=obDNZag5aHQ
Cool! I never knew it'd show up in Jo work.

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Here is an example of an omote version: https://youtu.be/XfheWg0WdVE
Slightly off-topic but I really really like that kokyunage! I'm going to try and learn to feel for that movement next.

Thanks for sharing your observations and insight everyone!
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Old 08-03-2018, 09:23 AM   #9
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Re: Unusual feet movement in morotedori

With a dynamic attack from uke at a realistic speed the "small significant moment" becomes insignificant.

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Old 09-07-2018, 10:24 AM   #10
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Re: Unusual feet movement in morotedori

In Tomiki Aikido, this kind of footwork is used to perform sumi otoshi throw. It is used during "competition" randori (a free play with 100% resistance and counter attacks). It takes time to become skilfull.
Of course the concept of competition is not accepted by some practitioners although it has many possitive point for your development.

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Old 09-13-2018, 09:30 PM   #11
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Hi,

I noticed a very unusual movement when watching a video of Yoko Okamoto Shihan during a morotedori attack (2 hands grabbing wrist). In my limited 3.5 years of (Aikikai) aikido experience, I have never seen anyone else place their feet like that. I tried it out in our dojo and it is surprisingly effective. Below is a link someone else posted of her teaching and demonstrating what I am talking about. Does anyone else do that? Is this "common"?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YyVh6AFS9xc
Watch Osawa teach in a seminar. He emphasizes footwork as well that is very similar to this. I think Yoko has optimized her foot movement to her body so we have to find the proper foot movement for our bodies.

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Old 09-23-2018, 03:13 PM   #12
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Re: Unusual feet movement in morotedori

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Hi,

I noticed a very unusual movement when watching a video of Yoko Okamoto Shihan during a morotedori attack (2 hands grabbing wrist). In my limited 3.5 years of (Aikikai) aikido experience, I have never seen anyone else place their feet like that. I tried it out in our dojo and it is surprisingly effective. Below is a link someone else posted of her teaching and demonstrating what I am talking about. Does anyone else do that? Is this "common"?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YyVh6AFS9xc
I can't say what is usual because that varies from place to place, but it looks very similar to the kind of footwork I'm taught. Just to be clear though, how would you describe the footwork you're speaking about?

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