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Old 02-10-2005, 10:30 AM   #51
phil farmer
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Re: Fake or New style aikido

Let me just add a few things here. First, Mitchi Sensei is 5th Dan and can indeed do any aspect of Yoseikan, aiki, jiujutsu, weapons, etc. He is supposed to come to Australia (as far as I know) and you can find that on the YWF website. I have been in touch with an Austalian group who wanted to join YWF so I hope they have made contact. To my knowledge all YWF (and USYBA) clinics are open to all arts. The Japanese customs do vary. In the U.S., at my fellow instructor, Hudson Harris' dojo, they do indeed wear the white gi still (most members) and bow in traditionally. At my dojo, we wear the blue and white gi with blue and white belt and we do a standing bow in, in the tradition of Mitchi Mochizuki and my visits to our international clinics. By the way, the blue and white gi of Yoseikan Budo represents Yin and Yang. I was told that it is blue and white because Master Hiroo Mochizuki does not like black gi. Go figure. It also relates to the wave, which is a basic Yoseikan principle.

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Old 02-10-2005, 11:20 AM   #52
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Re: Fake or New style aikido

We haven't made any contact yet. Reminds me I should send another e-mail to the technical head of Australia. He describes Mitchi as an amazing martial artist. By the way how old is Mitchi?

In my school we retain the seiza, meditation and bowing to the shomen etc. I think its good to keep some aspect of the Japanese culture and language in the dojo for historical and advertising purposes and a good way of getting your mind into the mood for training.
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Old 02-10-2005, 11:38 AM   #53
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If he does visit Oz, where will he be?
Is there an open seminar planned?
How evenly integrated are the different aspects? The Oz site I checked out looked almost _entirely_ focused on the karate aspect.
Probably Perth. I don't know about any seminars. You will have to talk to Roy Hebden the Technical Head about that.

Yeah the dojo on the Oz site is Roy's school. He teaches traditional karate as well as Yoseikan Budo. I think most of his students are kids who want to learn tournament karate.
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Old 02-10-2005, 11:53 AM   #54
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Yoseikan Budo is a synthesis of stricking, throws, joint locks, and ground fighting. You could say they built into aspects of MMA even before there was the concept of MMA.

Where you are depends on what aspect is the focal point. There are several schools in Europe that deal with the karate type aspects. In the United States there is a strong aiki focus.

Mitchi can do it all (and make it look easy).
I have a copy of Minoru Mochizuki's book "Nihonden jujitsu, kuro obi aikido". He definately made an attempt at creating a MMA. The book has sections on karate, aiki jujitsu, iai, kenjutsu and judo.
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Old 02-16-2005, 11:26 AM   #55
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Darin - I'm jealous that you have a copy of the book! It's out of print and I've been trying to get a copy that someone will part with for about ten years.

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Old 02-16-2005, 11:59 PM   #56
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Darin - I'm jealous that you have a copy of the book! It's out of print and I've been trying to get a copy that someone will part with for about ten years.
I basically photocopied every page in the book and put the copies into a file. One day I will borrow it again and PDF the whole thing.
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Old 02-18-2005, 07:28 AM   #57
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Re: Fake or New style aikido

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Rob Liberti wrote:
Well Peter, let me see if I can put out that flame...

There is a _context_ to my line of reasoning. (It's not like I posted that in a mothering forum.) I've worked out with folks from the Tomiki system and they all seemed to know nikyo fairly well. If any aikido person with a few years of experience walks into your dojo and all you do there after several classes is punching and kicking - and no one has _ever_ seen ikkyo or nikyo then they should inform the students you're not teaching aikido either. Agreed?

I feel it is irresponsible to just walk away (*in that situation*).

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Old 02-23-2005, 01:06 PM   #58
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You're not the boss of me.

For the future, seriously, please bother to read the whole thread and then contribute to it or move on.

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Old 07-08-2005, 11:47 PM   #59
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Re: Fake or New style aikido

Rikimaru,

The thread starter said that they are not in any way affiliated with Tapondo. Here in Saudi Arabia there's a big group called Philippines Martial Arts Combat Aikido. They do jujitsu thingy.

Just for everybody's info, M Gavileno was promoted by K. Tohei (late 60's /early 70's) twice, shodan and nidan, this is according to their website. They do have ikkyo, nikkyo, etc. The only thing obviously different is that they call IRIMI NAGE a KOKYU NAGE. I guess they still do in other Tohei affiliated organizations.

Just sharing my thoughts...
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