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Old 06-02-2008, 05:45 PM   #51
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Re: Can you "see" ki?

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Dear Sensei Jennifer Smith, I love American Aikido for innovations of Traditional Aikido. The topic about the Ki , we can see this during bunkai and kihon practices. This flow of movement is soft and not an opposition to the uke uchi. This is Chikara the power that made the Tore and Nage. God Bless America. Reynaldo Ligoro Albano
chikara "girl/feminine power"
ryoku "absorptive power"

Let's call it expressions of vibration; or listening, and seeing, and breathing in accord......I sense 'ki' in many fashions. one of which is seeing. for me it is often accompanied by an auditory sensation that 'translates' intention as if intention were a telegraph.

which, for me, it is.

all of this on the backbone of solid, screaming, classic aikido.

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Old 06-03-2008, 03:22 AM   #52
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Re: Can you "see" ki?

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chikara "girl/feminine power"
ryoku "absorptive power"

Let's call it expressions of vibration; or listening, and seeing, and breathing in accord......I sense 'ki' in many fashions. one of which is seeing. for me it is often accompanied by an auditory sensation that 'translates' intention as if intention were a telegraph.

which, for me, it is.

all of this on the backbone of solid, screaming, classic aikido.
I love your last line there!

Without dragging in to much mystic mumbo-jumbo (…not a big fan of aura discussions), I completely agree with you (except I don’t relate it to seeing/feeling ki, as much as intent, power, muscularity, stiffness/looseness, and overall state of mind, both during figuring out proper maai and when in grappling/striking range (if ki is a good word for that for you, I’m alright with that. Heh heh. I just can’t win a ki discussion on Aikiweb!).

An anecdotal tale from today on awareness and intent:

I am finally finishing up my BA (at 37 and 1/2 years old). My emphasis is fine arts, such as painting, printmaking, drawing, and sometimes making hideous animatronic dolls. My class is having a couple gallery shows coming up this weekend and the next. We met at the gallery space today to discuss cleaning and art-hanging, all 25 or so of us, and a stranger appeared in our midst. He was pleasant, inquisitive, and was generally unobtrusive, but he seemed to be unclear of where he was, or what we were doing, he just seemed to be enjoying the company and the little bits of interaction he was able to eek out of the group (virtually none, as is often the case here in the NW, people who are strange or uncomfortable often get ignored, often to the detriment of folks’ awareness of their presence/potential danger). At one point in our meeting at the gallery space, we are all gathered and discussing strategy, and the stranger walks right into the middle of our circle, stares at the floor, smiles, and then points his hand to the floor and makes shooting gestures, as though he were squeezing a trigger. I had been figuring out how fast and with how much force I could get to him as soon as I saw him (I operate in this way anyway from formerly being a bouncer and living in bad neighborhoods), and now I made sure of his lack of weapons and really honed into how I could disrupt him/take him out, should a weapon appear.

Luckily, it was an incredibly tedious class discussion about cleaning/art hanging duties, and he grew bored and left, which left me very relieved (I have been labeled the “bad guy'/alpha male dill-weed, in past situations when I’ve had to step up and escort the problem away). However, when I mentioned the stranger who literally stepped into the ring of all us while we were talking, and pantomimed shooting an imaginary adversary on the floor… nearly everyone looked puzzled. They had no clue of the incident or the person. Luckily, I had a couple of people to whom I pointed him out to from the onset, in case of potential difficulties, that remembered him and affirmed my statement to the rest of the class. I mentioned the (maybe schizoid) person in an attempt to get my class security conscious for our show, as we are downtown in Olympia; not exactly the crazy muscular bustle of Chicago, or the straight meanness and crime of St. Louis, but there are a fair number of transients, tweekers, and violent drunks. After confirmation by my clued-in witnesses, we all agreed to apply more personnel to each gallery shift, and to close the gallery before the bar next door does last-call. Without awareness and the ability to judge the strength and intent of others, anyone can be a sitting duck.

Where I come from, this is called applied “street smarts”.

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Old 06-03-2008, 09:21 AM   #53
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I love your last line there!

Without dragging in to much mystic mumbo-jumbo (…not a big fan of aura discussions), I completely agree with you (except I don't relate it to seeing/feeling ki, as much as intent, power, muscularity, stiffness/looseness, and overall state of mind, both during figuring out proper maai and when in grappling/striking range (if ki is a good word for that for you, I'm alright with that. Heh heh. I just can't win a ki discussion on Aikiweb!).

An anecdotal tale from today on awareness and intent:

I am finally finishing up my BA (at 37 and 1/2 years old). My emphasis is fine arts, such as painting, printmaking, drawing, and sometimes making hideous animatronic dolls. My class is having a couple gallery shows coming up this weekend and the next. We met at the gallery space today to discuss cleaning and art-hanging, all 25 or so of us, and a stranger appeared in our midst. He was pleasant, inquisitive, and was generally unobtrusive, but he seemed to be unclear of where he was, or what we were doing, he just seemed to be enjoying the company and the little bits of interaction he was able to eek out of the group (virtually none, as is often the case here in the NW, people who are strange or uncomfortable often get ignored, often to the detriment of folks' awareness of their presence/potential danger). At one point in our meeting at the gallery space, we are all gathered and discussing strategy, and the stranger walks right into the middle of our circle, stares at the floor, smiles, and then points his hand to the floor and makes shooting gestures, as though he were squeezing a trigger. I had been figuring out how fast and with how much force I could get to him as soon as I saw him (I operate in this way anyway from formerly being a bouncer and living in bad neighborhoods), and now I made sure of his lack of weapons and really honed into how I could disrupt him/take him out, should a weapon appear.

Luckily, it was an incredibly tedious class discussion about cleaning/art hanging duties, and he grew bored and left, which left me very relieved (I have been labeled the "bad guy'/alpha male dill-weed, in past situations when I've had to step up and escort the problem away). However, when I mentioned the stranger who literally stepped into the ring of all us while we were talking, and pantomimed shooting an imaginary adversary on the floor… nearly everyone looked puzzled. They had no clue of the incident or the person. Luckily, I had a couple of people to whom I pointed him out to from the onset, in case of potential difficulties, that remembered him and affirmed my statement to the rest of the class. I mentioned the (maybe schizoid) person in an attempt to get my class security conscious for our show, as we are downtown in Olympia; not exactly the crazy muscular bustle of Chicago, or the straight meanness and crime of St. Louis, but there are a fair number of transients, tweekers, and violent drunks. After confirmation by my clued-in witnesses, we all agreed to apply more personnel to each gallery shift, and to close the gallery before the bar next door does last-call. Without awareness and the ability to judge the strength and intent of others, anyone can be a sitting duck.

Where I come from, this is called applied "street smarts".
Art is soooo dangerous and creative people should be stopped.

Now, all opinions aside , thanks for the story.

I'm not, despite some online appearances, into 'mumbo-jumbo' myself. I am into developing an ability to verbally express my experiences as they have developed through out my entire life; which has been rather colorful to this date.
I've cleaned the clock of more than one person for more than one reason in more than one fashion. The development of my responses have intrigued me as they have evolved.

I came from a tough neighborhood known for drugs, gangs, and other poverty bi-products and I have a genetic drive for justice. Put that together and you've got a 'tough girl'. But that isn't the place in me that responds anymore. It is close by. Definitely present, but all things considered the gifts of feeling, hearing, and discerning wisdom, known to me as the voice of nature; be it the nature of a situation, the nature of an individual, or the peace of nature that is the backdrop for all life, has been the strongest novitiate in my 'inner monestary' and with it comes some fairly startling gifts of insight, vision and courageous love.
I can only comment from my own path which has evolved from street fighting, to mat-fighting, to mat-harmonizing, to pre-emptive reconciliation and beyond....i hope. I've hit the ground hard and that's where truth has tended to rise up for me. Not from the 'blossoms of the sky on a summer day'( my quote).

I've refined my own path from the ground up and I teach it that way too. Because of that I advocate for strong training, precise training, and an observance of natural phenomena at a level that is tangible to the practicioner. Clean Aikido gets the job done and I love it. In the dojo, aikido practice should always be first. I love how it grows and changes and is always, somehow, one step ahead.

I really enjoyed your story! Nice you had a 'reality check' crew.

Now kick ass and do some art!!!!!!

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Old 06-05-2008, 10:18 AM   #54
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So many kinds of ki

As is evident in the many posts on this thread, there are so many ways to experience ki. There are also very many kinds of ideas about a life energy, or life force - from the distant dawn of human thought up to present time, and in just about every society.

I made sort of an encyclopedia of ki (qi) synonyms, where I included concepts similar to that of ki, but also concepts that are mistakenly reported to be. It starts here:
http://www.qi-energy.info/qi-synonyms.htm

I don't pretend my little encyclopedia to be complete, but I believe that the most important and relevant examples are there - as well as some very peripheral and irrelevant. It's a jungle...

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Old 06-07-2008, 11:31 AM   #55
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Laura's experience reminds me of a Zen story: a monk went to his master to report his experience of a luminous vision of the Buddha, and was told "Keep practicing, it will go away".

Actually, I've had similar experiences, which I put down to being a bit sensitive and prone to headaches, and having a history of psychedelic drug use. Never have such visual effects proved useful to me on the mat.

What I am confident that I DO see, is a Quality of Movement that I think of as ki (which is especially obvious when a bokken is used), and this I do find useful in an inspirational/ aspirational sort of way.

Interestingly, I didn't think the Shaolin monks had it when I saw them, but that some boxers do. My personal take on ki (and, lets face it, it's a personal thing) is very similar to Stephan Stenudd's - "Ether of Intention"; like it.

Keep practicing, it will go away,
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Old 07-07-2008, 09:26 AM   #56
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I think ) I saw ki. Pure and transparent in it's raw form. The energy from which everything is created, ready to use everytime and everywhere. Omnipresent and omnipotenet, for everyone ready and able to use it.
That was my vision while standing and considering to go or not to go to dojo that day (the consideration because of my broken finger of course ).
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