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Old 02-10-2012, 07:24 AM   #26
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Re: What kind of bullying is this?

In AA, they call this "bigshot-ism". It's being egotistical, self-promoting, self-centered, and all the other me me me stuff. The actual words he is using is not necessarily bullying, but fallacious argumentation. Appealing to authority, appealing to popularity, strawmans, ad-homs, and things like that.
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Old 02-10-2012, 07:35 AM   #27
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Re: What kind of bullying is this?

I don't see that as bullying I see that as a strong argument in a discussion. If that's bullying I really should be banned for the things I've said here.

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Old 02-10-2012, 10:21 AM   #28
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Re: What kind of bullying is this?

Excuse me Roger,
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In AA, they call this "bigshot-ism". It's being egotistical, self-promoting, self-centered, and all the other me me me stuff. The actual words he is using is not necessarily bullying, but fallacious argumentation. Appealing to authority, appealing to popularity, strawmans, ad-homs, and things like that.
who do you mean?
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Old 02-10-2012, 11:22 AM   #29
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Re: What kind of bullying is this?

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Excuse me Roger,

who do you mean?
Not sure who exactly, the names and people are irrelevant to me, but based on what the OP wrote, it seemed to apply.
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Old 02-10-2012, 03:55 PM   #30
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Re: What kind of bullying is this?

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In AA, they call this "bigshot-ism". It's being egotistical, self-promoting, self-centered, and all the other me me me stuff. The actual words he is using is not necessarily bullying, but fallacious argumentation. Appealing to authority, appealing to popularity, strawmans, ad-homs, and things like that.
I think it's hard to avoid self-centered rhetoric when it comes down to comparing personal approaches. I also think conventions in language and interpersonal interaction are the biggest hurdle in this issue. My opinion is that there is a huge amount of talking past each other on this board (really, in any diverse group that is passionate about what it's doing, because the compulsion to express one's own validity is usually stronger than the compulsion to accept whatever is being expressed in the other direction). In a sense, we all understand what we're talking about, even if the terminology and/or semantics aren't the generally accepted ones, because words do not dictate semantics. We form our semantics and agree to affix discrete terms, but the process of understanding/conceptualization isn't so easy to pin down. People seem to want to make their words match up, but I wonder if it would be better to make their semantics match up. I think there would be at least a little more agreement in general.
It's easy to pick apart phrases...particularly when there are a lot to pick through, which is why I have made some efforts to speak in short, concise phrases. Of course that seems to occassionaly imply pithy or snotty "quips." This is another example of why in another thread I suggested it's less important to respond to perceived insults. Ignore them and deal with whatever appears relevant to the discussion.
My two bits have drawn me past my allowance of time, so:
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Old 02-11-2012, 05:39 AM   #31
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Re: What kind of bullying is this?

IMHO, there are always two parts of communication: the sender and the receiver.

What may be aggressive bullying to one is assertive expression to another.

I am against the former and support the later.

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Old 02-11-2012, 09:35 AM   #32
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Re: What kind of bullying is this?

Folks
For all the "talking" that goes on here in this forum...it is just that talking. The talking here centers around the "doing" which happens on the mat, in the dojo, in the street......somewhere that a physical exchange takes place. All of the exchanges that happen here on this forum over the validity of individual approaches to the "doing" or about individual interprtations of the roots of "doing" Aikido are just "talking" and could easily be sorted out by meeting on the mat. For all the offering to meet in neutral sittings these exchanges seem rare and for the most part avoided.

The idea that this forum is a place to exchange ideas and gather information is valid.......though the effort is much like searching for gold......one is going to go through a lot of sand and gravel before finding bits and pieces that have value.

Talking is a good thing, or can be....... for as often as we talk ourselves out of situations we just as often talk our way into them.... Talking is not Aikido...doing is Aikido......

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Old 02-11-2012, 03:05 PM   #33
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Re: What kind of bullying is this?

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Folks
For all the "talking" that goes on here in this forum...it is just that talking. The talking here centers around the "doing" which happens on the mat, in the dojo, in the street......somewhere that a physical exchange takes place. All of the exchanges that happen here on this forum over the validity of individual approaches to the "doing" or about individual interprtations of the roots of "doing" Aikido are just "talking" and could easily be sorted out by meeting on the mat. For all the offering to meet in neutral sittings these exchanges seem rare and for the most part avoided.

The idea that this forum is a place to exchange ideas and gather information is valid.......though the effort is much like searching for gold......one is going to go through a lot of sand and gravel before finding bits and pieces that have value.

Talking is a good thing, or can be....... for as often as we talk ourselves out of situations we just as often talk our way into them.... Talking is not Aikido...doing is Aikido......

Just of straight
Gary
HI Gary,
If you want to find gold amongst the dross remember to take your pick.There is more sand on this forum than a camel finds in the Sahara. The odd gem of wisdom occasionally surfaces but
it sure takes a bit of time scouring the landscape.As far as people meeting in a neutral place it can be done, but sometimes this idea is looked upon as something like Custer and Sitting Bull meeting at the Little Big Horn for a social night.I and my colleagues have made various attempts in our area to promote aikido and we want to welcome people who share our passion.Sad to say this has had so far limited success.I often wonder what it take to generate enthusiasm for this activity nowadays.
We have a 6hr session this Sunday Body Art , Weapons, possibly Batto Ho. Contacted some local groups , must see how they respond. Cheers, Joe.
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