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Old 01-14-2005, 07:08 PM   #26
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Re: do you MASTER this Technique???

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Actually I do the technique perfectly in the dojo . From the 2nd or the 3rd time and my instructor is always impressed of my quick learning.
My question is can I say that I've mastered this technique?
What do I need more?
I asked my instructor this question and he said ( I'll answer you next year or the year after) then he smiled!!!
You may be a quick learner (and that's great!), but I doubt you are "doing the technique perfectly" after two or three tries. My guess is that your sensei just hasn't decided it's time for you to move on to the next level yet. When he or she sees that you have the basic footwork and hand movements down, then there will be something more subtle for you to work on. When you have that down, there will be something else, and on and on.

I don't believe that we will ever "master" techniques, but we will probably get very close and the learning curve will become less steep. Sort of like approaching an asymptote on a graph... So anyone less advanced than you may see you as a "master", but you will always have more to learn.

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Old 01-14-2005, 09:12 PM   #27
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Re: do you MASTER this Technique???

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Hi again

my reply is for AIKIDO LOVERS only , not for those racists radically BoNeHeAdS!!!

What I meant by
(Hello Aikido lovers
thank god that aikido is not a girl) is:

If aikido was a girl then I'll be so tired fighting struggling to win her heart because I love her SO MUCH and many guys do.
sooner or later I'll be the winner but my face will be like this

I'm Muslim and that's what I pray every time to god thanking him for Islam and for his great prophet Mohamed (peace be upon him) who said: (heaven is beneath mothers feet)

Now back to Aikido

Actually I do the technique perfectly in the dojo . From the 2nd or the 3rd time and my instructor is always impressed of my quick learning.
My question is can I say that I've mastered this technique?
What do I need more?
I asked my instructor this question and he said ( I'll answer you next year or the year after) then he smiled!!!

Thanks again.
/Quote: Using the gender: Girl in American culture is rude and considered sexual harassment. I would recommend you re frame from expressing your sexual comments on the topic of training in Aikido.
/Quote:As for your Dojo training?. Do you bow to O'Sensei picture. When your instructor opens the class?
/Quote: As for your instructor commenting on your 2nd or 3rd executing the technique and is impressed of your quick learning? .What about other students in your dojo. Can you practice in Harmony & blend with them?. If you are having a one to one with your instructor and he SMILES and said (I'll answer you next year or the year after). I would take it as keep on training yourself in a year or two. You will have to start all over again. As you progress what you have learned is just the tip of the ice berg. What in the bottom under the water is a larger picture of what Aikido is. Your instructor is saying"Have patience" learning is a life time adventure enjoy yourself, don't rush and learn bad habits. Respect, loyalty is part of your training. Not only the physical aspect of Aikido.
As others on the Aiki Web, Who gave there comment's they are your brothers and sisters who are willing to guide you on your journey in your Aikido training. If you have faith in your religion. Have faith in the people around you to guide you in finding your path . I hope you understand that it will take time and time is your biggest obstacle.
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Master this Technique? are you referring to a technique your teacher taught you?. Or the Art of Aikido?
If you are referring to Master Aikido itself, I would think it would take ones life time, and still you are still a beginner. You have to have a "beginners Mind when you are training". If not you wont have the inspiration or drive to continue. When one stops learning, You start dieing".

May we all be friend's in our quest in the Light of Aikido.

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Old 01-16-2005, 05:49 PM   #28
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I went to Japan and saw the Taigi Competition (a contest judging various ki-aikido techniques). There were many young Japanese students and all terrific; boy, those kids can move. These young people are fantastic. Some made my hair stand on end, they can move so beautifully, But you know what? Suzuki Sensei would not have been very happy. He would have yelled at them. Why? Because there was no kokyu! In other worlds, they are moving well, the rhythm is there, everything is very nice, but where is the kokyu? In other words, where is the oneness? Yes, all the practice they have done shows, but are they breathing one hour everyday? Have they let go? Are they completely vulnerable? Or are they trying very hard to do a very good job? This is normal. We are all like this. Of course, the foreigners were doing the same thing, not just the Japanese. Everyone was like this....
I was discussing this quote from Curtis Sensei with my instructor. His take on this was you need ki-mochi or feeling, sometimes translated as taste. Techniques are not just correct movements. That is just the start. The spectator should be able to feel the intent or will of the nage/uke pair.

This means a trained observer could actually feel the ki or intent of the practitioner. This applies to traditional Japanese arts, not just Aikido. A top tea master, calligrapher and Noh actor will all be able to convey this feeling. Everything they do will be natural and spontaneous.

If you want to gain mastery like this, you will realize that there is no end to it. You will never say to yourself, "Now I know everything about this." You will always be learning.

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Old 01-16-2005, 09:45 PM   #29
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Using the gender: Girl in American culture is rude and considered sexual harassment. I would recommend you re frame from expressing your sexual comments on the topic of training in Aikido
Cut him some slack, eh Alvin?
There is obviously a language barrier here, even if he has been doing pretty well.

As for his usage of "girl", you could say that it could possibly be a sign of his age. Ever notice that men date "women", whereas younger guys date "girls"?
Or it's purely just a language thing.

Poor guy's been bearing the brunt of a lot of other people's baggage.
I would have thought we could exercise a little more restraint, considering why we we're here.
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Old 01-16-2005, 09:50 PM   #30
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are they breathing one hour everyday?
I generally try to breathe more than one hour per day.
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Old 01-17-2005, 10:18 AM   #31
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Re: do you MASTER this Technique???

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Actually I do the technique perfectly in the dojo .
No you don't. You do it well enough for your level.

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My question is can I say that I’ve mastered this technique?
No.

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What do I need more?
Training.


Bronson

p.s. I agree with what Stuart said here:
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Poor guy's been bearing the brunt of a lot of other people's baggage. I would have thought we could exercise a little more restraint, considering why we we're here.

"A pacifist is not really a pacifist if he is unable to make a choice between violence and non-violence. A true pacifist is able to kill or maim in the blink of an eye, but at the moment of impending destruction of the enemy he chooses non-violence."
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Old 01-17-2005, 12:00 PM   #32
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I generally try to breathe more than one hour per day.
Then you are to be congratulated!

Few people know about ki breathing, much less do breathing exercise for one hour daily.

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Old 01-17-2005, 02:23 PM   #33
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Re: do you MASTER this Technique???

Mastering a technique (not to mention ourselves) takes a lifetime of training. Overtime we change and experience different things. This will directly effect the way you do Aikido. What you consider mastery of a technique now could change over time. Focus on the path not the goal. Just an opinion take it or leave it my friend. You'll find what works for you.
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Old 01-17-2005, 05:11 PM   #34
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You've hit the proverbial nail on the head. [Self] mastery is the journey - not the destination.

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Old 01-17-2005, 08:36 PM   #35
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Then you are to be congratulated!
Not really. It's just so hard to hold my breath the other 23 hours.





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Old 01-28-2005, 04:12 PM   #36
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Everyday you can:
  • Sit, but not do meditation.
  • Move, but not train in aikido.
  • Breathe, but not practice ki-breathing.
Sometimes the simplest things are the hardest.

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