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Old 12-29-2004, 08:08 AM   #26
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Re: I don't want to dismember my opponents.

IMHO, if you love training, train. Focus more on what it teaches you regarding posture, positioning, and movement. Less on targeting. You do not have to dismenber your opponent to dismember yourself.

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Old 12-29-2004, 09:26 AM   #27
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Re: I don't want to dismember my opponents.

Not sure how this post morphed into a discussion of blades, but... My sources separate shinken from other japanese style blades by the production process. Shinken usually refers to traditional japanese-made katana. Traditional Japanese-made katana are regulated by the Japanese government to maintain higher quality and are generally more expensive. Other japanese style blades can be produced in countries like China, Korea, US or India. These blades usually incorporate non-traditional methods of forging, but are produced on a greater scale. I understand that nihonto became a popular term when japanese style katana began production outside of Japan.

To address the question posed about the dilemma of cutting your opponent; or in this case, expanding cutting to include hurting your opponent. You are practicing a martial art, and the application of martial are is combat, physical or otherwise. The fact that you do not wish to apply your training is inconsequential. Learn how to cut, then learn why not to cut.
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Old 12-29-2004, 09:37 AM   #28
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Re: I don't want to dismember my opponents.

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Be careful, he might want to watch a Japanese Swordsmith (not a Japanese swordsmith, but someone who mostly makes Japanese swords..) Because it's a compltely different process than making european swords..lol
Hey, that's a great idea. I bet he's never thought of that before....it's only how he makes his living.

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Old 12-29-2004, 10:24 AM   #29
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Re: I don't want to dismember my opponents.

I think I may have made too much of what amounts to getting squeamish. I guess, even though I don't hunt, I still shoot guns and that's about the same thing.

I wouldn't expect to find myself repelling hoardes of invaders, but I still want a Browning Automatic Rifle someday (Yeah-someday when I move to a different state and have $10G to blow ) . I guess that's about the same as wanting a nice sword and planning not to use it on anyone.

Thanks, everyone, for helping me work that out!
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Old 12-29-2004, 10:48 AM   #30
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Hey, that's a great idea. I bet he's never thought of that before....it's only how he makes his living.

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Old 12-29-2004, 11:11 AM   #31
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Re: I don't want to dismember my opponents.

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Would the best description of the actual sword, without having to label it a Katana or Tachi, be "Nihon Daito"? Just wondering if you agree?
Eh ...

Honestly? I don't think it matters much except to collectors.

For folks doing iaido/kendo/koryu weapons, the sword type and style will probably be dictated, or at minimum, reccommended by the school.

All other distinctions, to me, are pretty arbitrary and are probably dictated more by artistic criteria than practical.

The more I deal with these things (and I've really moved away from empty-hand stuff in recent years, sliding toward a more and more sword based methodology in my chosen system), the more I think that the non-budo-practicing collectors have unduly influenced the way the actual-budo-practicing community views and thinks about swords.

YMMV.

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Old 12-29-2004, 05:53 PM   #32
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Re: I don't want to dismember my opponents.

Found this article: CONCERNING SHINKEN, from a Google search for shinken.

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To summarise, it is probably not a good idea to ask a Japanese sword collector his opinion on most Shinken. You have bought your Shinken, not for its artistic merits such as Hamon, Jihada, Nie etc., but for other considerations entirely such as balance, weight, length etc., which will not necessarily be appreciated by most collectors. It is also unwise to enquire about prices from sword collectors. They will only tell you what they would pay for it as an art-sword and as we have previously discussed, Shinken are seldom art-swords of great quality. I do appreciate how much Shinken cost to buy and have written several insurance valuations for Iaido practitioners that reflect a replacement value. It is, however, not within my remit to say whether these prices represent good value or not, this can only be determined by the prospective purchaser, his requirements and his personal financial situation, but they should not be under the impression, when buying a new or recently made Shinken, that they are buying good quality Japanese art-swords - it is 'only' a sword for Iaido that is being offered.
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