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Old 11-30-2004, 12:03 AM   #26
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Re: Does Aikido make you smarter?

At least we're smart, thoughtful idiots

I remember I was showing some pictures from a demo I did to a friend of mine. In this particular demo I was attacking my instructor with a jo. My friend looked at the pictures and then looked at me and said something like...

"So. You have a big stick and you're trying to hit this old Japanese guy. And he takes the stick away from you and then whacks you with it. He then gives the stick back to you and you try and hit him again, with the same result. You get whacked.

How many times did you try and do this? Don't you learn?!"

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Old 11-30-2004, 12:25 AM   #27
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How many times did you try and do this? Don't you learn?!"
Umm, no...we don't

My sensei will often have me in a lock or pin during demonstration of a technique. He'll ask me to try to hit him so I try to lay one in there. The pain is usually, well......impressive. Then he'll do the same thing on the other side with the same result. One of the students once asked "why do you attack just as hard the second time when you know what will happen". It's my job I replied

Bronson

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Old 11-30-2004, 12:56 AM   #28
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Umm, no...we don't

My sensei will often have me in a lock or pin during demonstration of a technique. He'll ask me to try to hit him so I try to lay one in there. The pain is usually, well......impressive. Then he'll do the same thing on the other side with the same result. One of the students once asked "why do you attack just as hard the second time when you know what will happen". It's my job I replied
Hey! I resemble those remarks!!

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Old 11-30-2004, 01:02 AM   #29
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Hey! I resemble those remarks!!
Oh crap, now I'm doing things those insane Yoshinkan senshusei graduates do. They're gonna revoke my aiki-fruitie card for sure now

Bronson

"A pacifist is not really a pacifist if he is unable to make a choice between violence and non-violence. A true pacifist is able to kill or maim in the blink of an eye, but at the moment of impending destruction of the enemy he chooses non-violence."
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Old 11-30-2004, 04:22 AM   #30
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I think that from Aikido, we definately gain better coordination and spatial awareness.
I've been practicing Aikido from childhood, and as a kid, I was always the best at imitating movement. I think that from Aikido training I have good skills of observaiton. I like to think I'm smart.
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Old 11-30-2004, 08:51 AM   #31
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Given the tons of crap (business or real life related) I've heard outside the mat from mouths by higher ranked people of any rank (kyu up to 6th dan), I dare to say, Aikido doesn't make you any smarter than any other human activity.
High ranked people may be wiser (it's probably an age factor, rather than aikido rank), but as D&D clearly explains, wisdom and intelligence are two completely different things

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Old 11-30-2004, 09:06 AM   #32
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Re: Does Aikido make you smarter?

me was reel stoopid until I find aikido!

(please tell me this thread escaped from the humour section..)

OT - Bronson, three no-touch throws and some breathing exercises for penance - shame on you
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Old 11-30-2004, 05:23 PM   #33
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Oh crap, now I'm doing things those insane Yoshinkan senshusei graduates do. They're gonna revoke my aiki-fruitie card for sure now
<Riiiippp> <--- Sound of Aiki-fruitie card being torn to pieces.

Bronson...you are now always welcome at the RYA dojo

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Old 11-30-2004, 07:57 PM   #34
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Aikido makes you you
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Old 11-30-2004, 09:17 PM   #35
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Thanks, Bob, for helping me articulate what I was thinking. I believe specifically, I was wrestling with "spatial orientation" and "kinesthetic" sense and how they might increase intelligence.

Maybe "inspire perceptive thought" or something like that would be safer to say than "make you smarter". But it wouldn't get as many people talking and I really am interested to see what opinions some of the big minds out there have.

Now, please stop me if I've obviously misunderstood, but Aikido seems loaded with opportunities for a linguistic workout just by learning all the Japanese terminologies. +1A?

... SNIP....
I think you're taking it too far now. Kinesthetic and spatial - sure, +1. Intrapersonal, manybe +1. The others...+0.000001 if you're lucky. Certainly I think a good crossword puzzle would contribute more to your linguistic intelligence than aikido would.

IMHO. YMMV.

(say...where can I get me one of those aiki-fruity cards you're all ripping up? Are they scented / scratch & sniff - I'd like a raspberry one)
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Old 12-02-2004, 01:48 AM   #36
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but as D&D clearly explains, wisdom and intelligence are two completely different things
D&D = Dungeons and Dragons right?
Well, in aikido we focus (more or less) on empty handed techniques, with varying degrees of weapon training... We also wear no armour... So the most appropriate class would be monk... Monks need high dexterity and wisdom, good strength (unless you have the weapon finesse feat), and since we're mostly playing solo we need good charisma as well... As such, it doesn't levae much points to spend on Intelligence...

So, you can't be a good aikidoka if you have high intelligence (and as you level up, you better spend points on dexterity or wisdom, so you aren't getting smarter either.. )

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Old 12-02-2004, 01:59 AM   #37
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Well by Ikkyu I was a smart ass.

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Old 12-02-2004, 08:51 AM   #38
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D&D = Dungeons and Dragons right?
Well, in aikido we focus (more or less) on empty handed techniques, with varying degrees of weapon training... We also wear no armour... So the most appropriate class would be monk... Monks need high dexterity and wisdom, good strength (unless you have the weapon finesse feat), and since we're mostly playing solo we need good charisma as well... As such, it doesn't levae much points to spend on Intelligence...

So, you can't be a good aikidoka if you have high intelligence (and as you level up, you better spend points on dexterity or wisdom, so you aren't getting smarter either.. )
AIKIDOKA
GAME RULE INFORMATION
Aikidoka have the following game statistics.
Abilities: Constitution is especially important for aikidoka, as they will be thrown repeatedly at the ground at high velocity, and need to be able to recover quickly so they can be thrown at the ground at high velocity again. A high dexterity is also desirable, so they can recover quickly as possible, and then be thrown at the ground again. Aikidoka generally have low Wisdom, as evidenced by their willingness to be thrown repeatedly to the ground at high velocity, and claim it's good for their training. Aikidoka with high Strength are known as Shodothugs. Evil aikidoka are called Yoshingoons. Evil aikidoka with high strength are called @&#^$ Bastards
Alignment: Any, but aikidoka cannot be neutral. They're really opinionated.
Hit Die: d8

CLASS FEATURES
All of the following are class features of the aikidoka.
Weapon and Armour Proficiency: Aikidoka are proficient with bokken and jo.
Aikidoka are not proficient with armour or shields, but they can wear a specialized piece of armor called hakama. Although just made from a light fabric, the hakama provides a surprisingly good AC, due to the fact that it looks like a big, fluffy skirt and monsters and other classes will have a hard time taking a swing at the aikido through their fits of laughter. The downside is that every time an aikidoka moves in hakama, they must make a Dexterity check or fall flat on their faces (consult the Hakama Injury Table).
Grab My Wrist: any creature who grabs the aikidoka's wrist will take double damage from the aikidoka's attacks as long as they are in contact.
The Unbendable Arm: The aikidoka's arm becomes unbendable. Not much use, but a great party trick.
Ki Attack: By channeling ki through his body, the aikido can launch a fiery attack at his opponents. The aikidoka must yell HADOKEN! or KAMEHAMEYA! as this attack is launched. Shodothugs and Yoshingoons cannot use this special ability, and will, in fact, deny any knowledge of it's existence.

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Old 12-02-2004, 08:56 AM   #39
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Hori the dojo master has touched my inner geek, this thread should now throw a saving roll against hijack
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Old 12-02-2004, 10:03 AM   #40
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I think all you people are pretty awesome and I'm really happy with the way this thread is turning out. As I've mentioned before, when I am curious or just thinking about something (rather than take the time to properly research it myself), I like to submit it to the "tribe mentality" and find out what other people know and think.

There's a third factor in my equation now, that the association of all these brilliant minds raises the bar through some kind of synergy. Back in my Tae Kwon Do days, I had a Gwan Jang Nim with quite a marvelous mind and he had an analogy about a campfire- That the heat was multiplied by the fires of all the individual logs together, etc. There seems to be evidence of this effect everywhere- in universities, laboratories, dojos and web forums like this one.

Being around people who are of a higher caliber in some way inspires me to become better in some way, too. Maybe that's a half-answer for Lynn Seiser's question about defining "smarter". It seems obvious to me now that smart/wise/enlightened/brilliant/insert-your-definition-here minds must gravitate together and oscillate in a way which amplifies the mysterious energy at work.

I'm not afraid to make some pretty far stretches for a tasty concept, as you must be aware by now.
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Old 12-02-2004, 07:15 PM   #41
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AIKIDOKA
GAME RULE INFORMATION
Aikidoka have the following game statistics.
Abilities: Aikidoka with high Strength are known as Shodothugs. Evil aikidoka are called Yoshingoons. Evil aikidoka with high strength are called @&#^$ Bastards

CLASS FEATURES
Ki Attack: By channeling ki through his body, the aikido can launch a fiery attack at his opponents. The aikidoka must yell HADOKEN! or KAMEHAMEYA! as this attack is launched. Shodothugs and Yoshingoons cannot use this special ability, and will, in fact, deny any knowledge of it's existence.
Just for the record. I believe the correct term for the "Evil Aikidoka" is YoshiOrc and not (as shown above) Yoshingoon.

Sorry...just had to make that clear Otherwise a good summary <grin>

--Michael...who enjoys the company of both Shodothugs and YoshiOrcs (and YoshiOrclets)

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Old 12-02-2004, 08:41 PM   #42
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Just for the record. I believe the correct term for the "Evil Aikidoka" is YoshiOrc and not (as shown above) Yoshingoon.

Sorry...just had to make that clear Otherwise a good summary <grin>
Thanks Michel. I'll make sure to include it in the errata when it's published, as well as information on the highly asked for aikifruitie prestige class!
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Old 12-02-2004, 08:47 PM   #43
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I have to ask. Obviously the female of the species does not mind the term YoshiOrclets as we have surviving YoshiOrcs (I assume Orclets is not referring to little Orcs) but what will we do with Shodothugs. Personally I think the name should cover both - I just can not imagine living long after I called someone a Shodothugette.

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Old 12-02-2004, 09:57 PM   #44
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Aikido with D&D rules = turn based aikido played with dice? And instead of a sensei you have a dojo master.... hmmmm....

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Old 12-02-2004, 10:17 PM   #45
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I have to ask. Obviously the female of the species does not mind the term YoshiOrclets as we have surviving YoshiOrcs (I assume Orclets is not referring to little Orcs) but what will we do with Shodothugs. Personally I think the name should cover both - I just can not imagine living long after I called someone a Shodothugette.
Dear Hori-San,

Michael tells me you have broken some digit... get well soon, we need you to continue to draw humurous caricuture.

Dear PeterR,
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Old 12-02-2004, 10:30 PM   #46
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I have to ask. Obviously the female of the species does not mind the term YoshiOrclets as we have surviving YoshiOrcs (I assume Orclets is not referring to little Orcs) but what will we do with Shodothugs. Personally I think the name should cover both - I just can not imagine living long after I called someone a Shodothugette.
I don't know...as long as you explain that you mean the term in an endearing/nice way.

I survived calling a friend of mine "wenchette" all through university. Of course I had to explain (VERY QUICKLY the first time) that it was a term of affection. After that she just accepted it.

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Old 12-02-2004, 10:41 PM   #47
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AIKIDOKA
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Ki Attack: By channeling ki through his body, the aikido can launch a fiery attack at his opponents. The aikidoka must yell HADOKEN! or KAMEHAMEYA! as this attack is launched. Shodothugs and Yoshingoons cannot use this special ability, and will, in fact, deny any knowledge of it's existence.
Ki? Ki are for Sissies.

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Old 12-03-2004, 12:09 AM   #48
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AIKIDOKA
GAME RULE INFORMATION
Aikidoka have the following game statistics.
Abilities: Constitution is especially important for aikidoka, as they will be thrown repeatedly at the ground at high velocity, and need to be able to recover quickly so they can be thrown at the ground at high velocity again. A high dexterity is also desirable, so they can recover quickly as possible, and then be thrown at the ground again. Aikidoka generally have low Wisdom, as evidenced by their willingness to be thrown repeatedly to the ground at high velocity, and claim it's good for their training. Aikidoka with high Strength are known as Shodothugs. Evil aikidoka are called Yoshingoons. Evil aikidoka with high strength are called @&#^$ Bastards
Alignment: Any, but aikidoka cannot be neutral. They're really opinionated.
Hit Die: d8

CLASS FEATURES
All of the following are class features of the aikidoka.
Weapon and Armour Proficiency: Aikidoka are proficient with bokken and jo.
Aikidoka are not proficient with armour or shields, but they can wear a specialized piece of armor called hakama. Although just made from a light fabric, the hakama provides a surprisingly good AC, due to the fact that it looks like a big, fluffy skirt and monsters and other classes will have a hard time taking a swing at the aikido through their fits of laughter. The downside is that every time an aikidoka moves in hakama, they must make a Dexterity check or fall flat on their faces (consult the Hakama Injury Table).
Grab My Wrist: any creature who grabs the aikidoka's wrist will take double damage from the aikidoka's attacks as long as they are in contact.
The Unbendable Arm: The aikidoka's arm becomes unbendable. Not much use, but a great party trick.
Ki Attack: By channeling ki through his body, the aikido can launch a fiery attack at his opponents. The aikidoka must yell HADOKEN! or KAMEHAMEYA! as this attack is launched. Shodothugs and Yoshingoons cannot use this special ability, and will, in fact, deny any knowledge of it's existence.
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Old 12-03-2004, 02:51 AM   #49
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Ki? Ki are for Sissies.
Ah yes. Ki is like fire to YoshiOrcs. It's bright and burns when it touches there leathery wart covered hides. They fear it because although they can feel it's presence and effects it has no substance and cannot be touched. This confuses the YoshiOrcs for they are simpletons who care not for the higher pursuits.

Bronson 2nd level aiki-fruity prestige class (who sincerely hopes all the friendly YoshiOrcs take this as a joke because I'm pretty sure they could all pound me into the ground like a tent stake )

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Old 12-03-2004, 04:32 AM   #50
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