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Old 09-03-2004, 05:55 PM   #1
david evans
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Committed Uke

I frequently hear (and I am sure that I am not alone), that aikido is not real, not effective; whatever.

This does not concern me. What does, and what I believe contributes to the above criticism, is often in training that various uke fail to provide committed attacks.

To take this a step further, some uke will actually fall before a technique is even fully applied. To be fair, this usually occurs mainly in beginners. However, I feel that it is easier to learn good new habits than it is to break bad old habits, and, as a consequence, even people who have been training for some time still fail to commit.

I do not do aikido to "fight". However, I do do it because it is a martial art. And I believe it is critical that this martial attitude is maintained.

I am sure that this thread will provide nothing new for some, but I would appreciate other people's thoughts on the matter.

Thanks.
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Old 09-03-2004, 11:07 PM   #2
Jordan Steele
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Re: Committed Uke

I agree with your view and am lucky enough to be a part of a dojo that places heavy emphasis on dynamic ukemi. We don't fall until we are actually thrown, we get up if a pin doesn't work and are constantly seeking holes in nages technique. We don't always reverse the technique as long as we know we could have...that is good enough. Committed attacks are crucial not only to maintain a martial atmosphere, but also so nage can apply a technique properly. A bad attack cause all sorts of problems especially with maai and kuzushi.
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Old 09-05-2004, 12:09 AM   #3
david evans
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Re: Committed Uke

Jordan,

Thanks for your thoughts. I too am fortunate that my sensei also empasizes the importance of this. However, this has not always been the case elswhere and certainly the message does not always seem to get through.

Ultimately too, it is to Uke's benefit that they train 'actively', with spirit.

Happy training.

David.
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Old 09-05-2004, 12:21 PM   #4
Nick Simpson
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Re: Committed Uke

Do you believe you should hit tori if they dont get out of the way of your attack? I believe that its fair game and essential training if the tori your attacking is of a high enough rank and has an endurance suited to taking a few slugs. Otherwise you may as well have a get out of jail free card when you botch your technique up :P

They're all screaming about the rock n roll, but I would say that it's getting old. - REFUSED.
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Old 09-05-2004, 05:47 PM   #5
david evans
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Re: Committed Uke

Nick,

I certainly believe that atemi should be applied, both as uke and tori. Though I feel it helps to know your training partners. There are some who I know are happy to train a little harder and then there are those that want to go a little slower. But I certainly wouldn't walk into a new dojo and just go out hard.

Basically, I think it comes down to being respectful of others while not compromising too much yourself.

I wonder sometimes when I am watching a technique demonstrated and sensei will invite tsuki, then, with sensei remaining in position, uke's strike misses by half a foot.

For my part, if I'm not doing something properly or if you think my mind is elsewhere a "friendly reminder" is appreciated.

Thanks for taking the time.

David.
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