George S. Ledyard wrote:
You can be asked to leave if your behavior is objectionable, even if it presents no immediate threat, if you refuse they can go hands on.
The legal standard simply calls for the amount of force used to be "reasonable" based on the threat presented by the subject.
Ah, and herein lies the crux of my argument, According to the victim, the bouncer failed to make a verbal demand that the victim leave before laying on of hands took place. If this is truly the case, and the victim did not intentionally mislead us in his account (I admit this is a BIG if), the bouncer did not act within the confines of the law.
Joseph Connolly wrote:
Bodhi Richards --- lol
The police (at least here in america), do not have to talk to you at all. Even if they have to use physical force. There are cases when force is used to gain control and then the talking is done...i am sure it is similar in finland.
The law, lol.
This is funnier than you think. I'm currently working on a riminal Justice degree and attending the local police academy. Sure I'm less than a rookie, but on the other hand, I've got a bit more clarity than most on what authority an officer can exercise use of force.
I'm surprised at the number of flames guys, especially since most of you are advocating support for a pacifistic response to an attacker.