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Old 08-11-2004, 11:15 AM   #26
Ron Tisdale
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Re: What's that with Aikiken and Aikijo?

You are absolutely correct Charles. We really should be more specific in stating the tradition we are discussing...
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Old 08-11-2004, 01:36 PM   #27
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Re: What's that with Aikiken and Aikijo?

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I think that it is a big mistake made by most of the posters here to think that there is such a thing as a singular "aikiken" or "aikijo." These terms are used by the various shihan to describe the weapons systems they made up based on various sources. The sentence, "Aikiken is ...." is fundamentally flawed. The weapons systems refered to as aiki have major differences.
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big mistake ? that's not the point - who came up with what.

Aiki-ken and Aiki-jo refer to various systems that have developed in the context of aikido, that relate to aikido and often meant to inform taijutsu.

major differences in form ? maybe
major differences in goals ? not really.

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Old 08-11-2004, 02:27 PM   #28
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Re: What's that with Aikiken and Aikijo?

Well, in one form of aiki-ken aiki-jo that I'm familiar with, the idea of misogi seems to be prominant...strangley enough, its also very sound from a technical standpoint, as far as I can tell.

Another form would eshew the misogi aspects (at least as far as any shinto aspects go) and yet it still seems to carry quite a bit of martial umph.

Other systems I've had minimal exposure to so I really couldn't/shouldn't comment on them to any great length. But I do see a direct corolation between things like the kamae (hamni) both with and without buki in the respective systems. Those that have a harakami buki waza stance always seem to have a harakami hamni...those that prefer kamaimi kamae seem to do the same empty handed. So at least some of the goals seem to be the same.

Ron (please pardon any japanese mis-spellings...I'm out of practice...)

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Old 08-11-2004, 05:17 PM   #29
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Re: What's that with Aikiken and Aikijo?

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that's not the point - who came up with what.
That's not my point either. My point is that often when a person on these or other forums promotes or berates what they call Aikiken or Aikijo, they obviously have a particular style in mind or else are just repeating what they have read elsewhere.

The point of weapons practice being a supplementary practice to unarmed practice seems to have come from those who have felt a need to defend Saito Sensei's weapons system from negative comments, often by people who are involved in koryu. I have never heard or read Saito Sensei as having said that taijutsu is of more importance than the other stuff he did. (I could be wrong, so I'd be very interested in hearing evidence of such thinking.) Most of my Aikiken, Aikijo comes from Shirata Sensei via John Stevens Sensei. In this system, all three are of equal value.

As far as there not being a major difference in the goals of the various shihan in their teaching of weapons, I have to (respectfully) disagree. I think the various goals are reflected in the differing emphases, techniques, and verbal teachings.

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