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Old 05-13-2004, 08:48 AM   #76
MaryKaye
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Re: Too many aiki-fruities?

Railing at the world isn't of much practical use; in my experience it doesn't even make you feel better for very long.

If you can't find satisfactory training partners, it seems to me that your practical plans include (a) go somewhere else where you can find some, and (b) train some up to your standards. (a) is quicker but may not be feasible where you are. (b) is very challenging, but if you truly have a good way to practice, other people should eventually be attracted to it. One way to begin, if your dojo allows any "mat talk" at all, is to praise partners when they give relatively good attacks (rather than ranting at them when they don't, which in my experience doesn't work very well--it certainly wouldn't on me). You can also, even in non-talky dojo, try to model the desired behavior yourself.

It's also worth bearing in mind that the problem is almost never really "Too many people want something different than me." Who cares about them? Your real problem is "Not enough people (near me) want what I want" and that's a problem you can work on by example and education.

The diversity of styles and approaches in aikido is a strength, not a weakness, though it can be frustrating when the style you want is not available locally. But if all aikido dojo taught the same there would be far fewer aikidoka, and that would be a loss. And we'd lose the valuable cross-fertilization of comparing different styles.

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Old 05-13-2004, 09:28 AM   #77
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Re: Too many aiki-fruities?

I would suggest that is NagaBaba wants to experience a real aiki fruity, he make arrangements to train with Kashiwaya Sensei. I'm sure he would very open to letting you attack him.
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Old 05-13-2004, 09:35 AM   #78
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Re: Too many aiki-fruities?

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Wynand van Dyk wrote:
Does Aikido, more than any other martial art suffer from an overabundance of the fruitier elements?

Do you sometimes feel that you are unable to practice the way that would most benefit you because your intstructor either has to accomodate a large number of granola munching hippies or is one him/herself?
Coming from a facet of aikido that doesn't seem to have a reputation of rampant aiki-fruities (or maybe I'm wrong) I'd like to say something that will probably seem fruity. Your training is dynamic. Your interaction with every type of aikidoka is dynamic. You both create it. If you think you've hit a plateau in your training, check yourself. You're the only part of this training that you can really control. No matter how many hypnosis books you read. No matter how much you think that someone can't teach you anything, they can. You just have to open your eyes and look at the mirror they offer.

Check your norms, open your eyes, take in every situation like there is potential to learn. Otherwise you've wasted your own time making quick judgements and shutting something away into a box.

JMHO FWIW

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Old 05-13-2004, 11:23 AM   #79
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Re: Too many aiki-fruities?

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In reality, Ki society dojos, and very many aikikai dojos don't practice techniques, but kind of healthy gymnastics, social danse. Only part of techniques is done, and in very sloppy way. Locks are non - existing, uke throws himself even before tori apply technique....attacks are adapted to this ridicule level of executing techniques. Noone has intend to hit or even grap tori for real. Almost noone knows how to attack efficently....

misery, my friend, misery!!!!!!



When I read such comments, it only reminds me of a fellow Ki Society student who related his experience of practicing with you a few years ago at an New England area Aikikai seminar. I think it was one with Chiba Sensei visiting. You kept trying to jack with him while doing ukemi, some of it inappropriate to the circumstances, none of it effective against his technique. He found it mostly amusing. You were obviously trying to test him.

Training with martial integrity doesn't have to equate to a hell dojo mentality.

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Old 05-13-2004, 09:08 PM   #80
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Re: Too many aiki-fruities?

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When I read such comments, it only reminds me of a fellow Ki Society student who related his experience of practicing with you a few years ago at an New England area Aikikai seminar. I think it was one with Chiba Sensei visiting. You kept trying to jack with him while doing ukemi, some of it inappropriate to the circumstances, none of it effective against his technique. He found it mostly amusing. You were obviously trying to test him.

Training with martial integrity doesn't have to equate to a hell dojo mentality.

Craig
Craig,
I think you have no experience with Chiba sensei semiars. EVERYBODY practice as sensei is showing, otherwise you become uke of sensei and it can be kind of Satori experience heheheh

and I doubt VERY MUCH that any of Ki society students dare to go to Chiba sensei seminar ROTFL

Just urban legend, dear Kironin, but nice try.

Nagababa

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Old 05-14-2004, 02:32 AM   #81
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Re: Too many aiki-fruities?

Szczepan, every time I read your posts I just think, "wow, this man knows his stuff..."

Chiba's seminars, yes, several of our higher dan grades used to often attend his seminars in the UK. I believe some still do, don't know, not that interested.

I've also visited some of his dojos, not really much different from the aikikai dojos I started in. Weapons work was different, otherwise the only difference seemed to be a greater reliance on pain compliance by some students (I repeat some, the higher grades had normally matured). The "hard man" jokes made about this group normally refer to Chiba's own unique take on aikido, rather than something prevalent throughout his group.

Ki "style" vs aikikai and Chiba's "style", again the only real difference is emphasis and the fact we bounce rather than slide. Training intensity is, as in all dojos, normally set by the sensei/type of class and the grade of your uke. I've done more randori in the aiki-fruitie land of Ki than I ever did in aikikai and my wrist no-longer has a permanent bruise as over-familial grabs to the wrist are generally just a training guide rather than the main attack.

Admittedly, I've also had to put up with some of the most god-awful "ki exercises" ever devised by man or beast and don't get me started on the "ki-punch", but there's good and bad in most dojos and you just need to find one you can live with.

(I know, follow own advice and don't feed trolling, I promise this is the last time folks)
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Old 05-14-2004, 02:43 AM   #82
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Re: Too many aiki-fruities?

I remember a nice fire side chat with Chiba a few years ago - he was very mellow, very nice. On the mat he demonstrated strong waza but nothing beyond what I was used to seeing. Frankly I did not find him terrifying.

But then I never found a terrifying Ki-ster either.

Peter Rehse Shodokan Aikido
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Old 05-14-2004, 02:59 AM   #83
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Re: Too many aiki-fruities?

Damn shodokan ninjas, always attacking from the blind side.

Strangely enough, I've always heard the guy was very pleasant off the mat as well. Friend of mine met him about 20 odd years ago (possibly longer, I've never managed to find out how long he'd been training) and said he'd always buy his own round. Not bad when you consider how some of "founders" of the smaller associations can act. Still doesn't fully explain his record on wrists though?
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Old 05-16-2004, 05:01 AM   #84
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Re: Too many aiki-fruities?

Usually when I find practice is getting too easy, usually when I feel like my opponent is making all kinds of mistakes and isn't attacking me with honesty and intensity, that's usually the point where I am in truth getting lazy with my technique and skipping on the fundamentals. And that always comes back to bite me later.
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