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Old 05-12-2004, 01:34 AM   #1
BlackPigeon
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Question Jo-Bokken Kata

Hi everyone!

Does anyone really know any good sites where I can find Jo-Bokken Kata movements for Kata 22, 31 and 8 ?

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Old 05-12-2004, 03:00 AM   #2
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Re: Jo-Bokken Kata

Whose kata are you after. I dont know who invented the 22 or 8. The 31 was invented by Saito Sensei, although i believe other shihan have also adopted there own version. You will learn very little from pics and words without regualr instuction by some one who can teach it
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Old 05-12-2004, 07:38 AM   #3
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Re: Jo-Bokken Kata

Try this: http://www.ki-shin-tai.de/, looking for "Video Clips".
For me, they are the best jo-bokken videos I have found for learning.(thank you Thomas Podzelny).

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Old 05-12-2004, 08:11 AM   #4
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Re: Jo-Bokken Kata

That the weapons your after blackpigeon. Very good site and the bodyform in the movies is very good. These are the suburi left by Osensei so you could do a hell of alot worse and not study these plus saitos katas
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Old 05-12-2004, 12:07 PM   #5
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Re: Jo-Bokken Kata

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Achilleas Kasfikis wrote:
Hi everyone!

Does anyone really know any good sites where I can find Jo-Bokken Kata movements for Kata 22, 31 and 8 ?

For a non-Iwama style approach to jo and bokken see Ikeda Sensei's Buki video which is jo against sword.

Buki Video

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Old 05-12-2004, 12:40 PM   #6
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Re: Jo-Bokken Kata

Hm.... we do 22 jo kata in ki-aikido....

I've heard of 31 and 13 jo kata....but 8 jo kata... ...I've never seen or heard of it (or maybe I did but wasn't able to recognize it)

BTW here's the link to some web site containing a detailed 22 jo kata.... (hope it works):
http://217.215.33.241/jak/film/jo22.htm

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Old 05-12-2004, 02:01 PM   #7
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Re: Jo-Bokken Kata

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Hm.... we do 22 jo kata in ki-aikido....

I've heard of 31 and 13 jo kata....but 8 jo kata... ...I've never seen or heard of it (or maybe I did but wasn't able to recognize it)

BTW here's the link to some web site containing a detailed 22 jo kata.... (hope it works):
http://217.215.33.241/jak/film/jo22.htm
The 31 Jo Kata cut short with a few changes and additions! But no power!!!!!

I hope that when people do it properly in that school they actually have fucus in the strikes in the kata!!!!!

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Old 05-12-2004, 02:20 PM   #8
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Re: Jo-Bokken Kata

All,

The 22 in the clip has very minor differences from the 22 I have seen in other Ki Society dojo. Both, however, are similar to what we call the 31 jo kata. Just to hazard a guess, I'd say the 8 jo kata is similar to what we call the 13 jo kata.

If I remember it all, we have 20 jo suburi, 31 and 13 jo kata, partner practices for both of them, 10 additional jo vs jo partner practices, 7 jo vs ken partner and a bunch of drills that help introduce the aforementioned.

I think doing the partner practices vigorously really aids one's aikido.

That said, I think a lot of people that practice aikido should spend some time doing kendo and/or BJJ.

Regards,

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Old 05-12-2004, 03:07 PM   #9
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Re: Jo-Bokken Kata

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Mark Dobro wrote:
.....But no power!!!!!
(.....doesn't the power depends on the person performing the kata? )

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Mark Dobro wrote:
I hope that when people do it properly in that school they actually have fucus in the strikes in the kata!!!!!
Where I train, we practice this kata both solo and with a partner holding a bokken.... (if that's what you mean)...

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Old 05-12-2004, 04:12 PM   #10
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Re: Jo-Bokken Kata

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Where I train, we practice this kata both solo and with a partner holding a bokken.... (if that's what you mean).
NO!

I mean that there is a huge difference between doing the movements and placing, AND executing the movements and striking!!!!!!!!!

The later has "Ki" - ENERGY, the first does not!!!!!


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Old 05-12-2004, 05:51 PM   #11
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Re: Jo-Bokken Kata

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Mark Dobro wrote:
NO!

I mean that there is a huge difference between doing the movements and placing, AND executing the movements and striking!!!!!!!!!

The later has "Ki" - ENERGY, the first does not!!!!!



I know what ki is. I practice ki aikido.
I just didn't understand what you meant by "focus"....
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