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Old 11-30-2003, 01:48 AM   #26
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Well anonymous posted a few days ago and has not posted again. Maybe he's shihonaged himself to death already.
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Old 11-30-2003, 10:24 AM   #27
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Interesting mental imagery that conjures up, how would you shionage yourself to death?

They're all screaming about the rock n roll, but I would say that it's getting old. - REFUSED.
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Old 11-30-2003, 05:44 PM   #28
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Interesting mental imagery that conjures up, how would you shionage yourself to death?
From what I understand a number of deaths in Aikido were from Shihonage. Not too hard to imagine doing too many, too hard and ....

Peter Rehse Shodokan Aikido
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Old 11-30-2003, 07:37 PM   #29
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yep, but how would you perform shionage on yourself???

They're all screaming about the rock n roll, but I would say that it's getting old. - REFUSED.
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Old 11-30-2003, 07:58 PM   #30
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yep, but how would you perform shionage on yourself???
Desparation is the source of innovation - but yes I see your point.

Technically speaking all Shihonage means is a four direction throw and therefore could (and does) describe a whole range of techniques not just the classic one we tend to use. So ---- picturing some fool throwing himself into the four walls of a room.

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Old 11-30-2003, 08:27 PM   #31
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It would be interesting to watch, you could place bets on which of the four corners they would die in (sorry, im very sick).

They're all screaming about the rock n roll, but I would say that it's getting old. - REFUSED.
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Old 11-30-2003, 09:50 PM   #32
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You guys are mean... ;p

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Old 11-30-2003, 11:23 PM   #33
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Some people are replying as if the first post was a joke, and some people are replying as if the first post was serious. While the serious replies might be funny to a person who posted a joke about suicide, the "haha" replies might not be funny at all to a person who wrote in seriousness about being suicidal. It is hard to say, reading that post. So...

Err on the side of caution?

And yeah, antidepressants work, at least on most people. There is no need to go around feeling like offing yourself. If it's that bad, get help. Aikido will help, but you might also need "help" help.
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Old 12-05-2003, 07:59 AM   #34
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Yeah, ok, I made a couple of sick jokes but I didnt really mean it and I wouldnt have posted them if I wasnt sure that this is a joke/troll/rant/whatever.

Im pretty sure that it is in a light hearted tone, even if the original poster is actually considering suicide. Reads more like they are just venting some of their ideas in a slightly daft way, much like having a conversation with someone but your really talking to yourself, so you can sort out your thoughts.

And if they are actually pursuing this path of suicide through aikido then theres not much that I can say or do to stop them, telling someone to get help from a shrink isnt going to do much good. We dont know who this person is or have any real indepth views into their circumstances, so what kind of practical help can we offer? People have already voiced their opinions on whether this is a good choice or a bad one and I think someone gave a helpline number or link or something, thats about it. Like most everything in life, suicide is a choice you make, you think about it and then you either do it or you dont. Looking on the bright side, it should hopefully take a long time for this individual to be killed in practice, perhaps several years before he recieves the fateful koshinage and breakfalls incorrectly. Hopefully they have the time to think some more and find a different direction for their frustrations.

At least they arent going to grab a gun and blow their brains out straight away and then regret it, so to speak. Sorry if I've rambled, but i wanted to explain myself.

They're all screaming about the rock n roll, but I would say that it's getting old. - REFUSED.
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Old 04-26-2004, 12:30 PM   #35
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Re: goodbye cruel world!

Si Wilson (siwilson) wrote:
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First - if someone is serious about suicide, they kill themselves, not talk about it.
Then Drew said:
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This is nonsense. Many suicidal people begin talking about it, hoping (thinking hope but not feeling hope) that there may be another alternative. Suicidal people may have exhausted all internal methods of finding a way to live happily. Some of them begin turning to others for ideas and guidance.
I have known a couple people whose jobs were to deal with mentally or emotionally disturbed or ill people, and they both said something similar to what Si Wilson did. That's not to mean that they're not seriously *considering* suicide... My friend Don worked in the psychiatric ward of a hospital for a while, so I'll just paraphrase something he said on the topic:

"The ones who talked about killing themselves we didn't worry about, because they were either just saying it for attention, or hadn't yet made up their minds one way or the other about whether they were going to actually do it. The ones we worried about were the ones who *stopped* talking about it -- because they'd made their decision."

So, someone posting here to the web, in a very public forum, about committing suicide, is probably either being tongue-in-cheek, or is looking for help as you said -- searching for alternatives, for people to convince him that there are other options. A person who is actually going to commit suicide probably isn't going to post about it -- if anything, they'll mention it to a close friend or two, not an entire crowd of strangers, which is what this forum most resembles.

Make sense?
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Old 04-27-2004, 07:04 AM   #36
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Re: goodbye cruel world!

IMHO, when we are at our best, happy and creative, we are not very busy in our minds. When we are at our worse, depressed and suicidal, we are overloaded in the mind. It is the mind and its comparative self-judgment that creates most problems.

Aikido is excellent, but it is not psychotherapy.

Don't try to figure it all out alone. None of us have seen our own faces without a mirror.

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