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Old 04-06-2004, 05:41 AM   #1
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What is the purpose of technique?

I recently started concentrating on unbalancing my uke more when doing technique. I found that when doing Shihonage for example, I could unbalance my uke to the point where actually doing the shihonage thing with his arm was pretty much overkill. If I walked away then and there he would have dropped to the ground anyway.

Is this how its supposed to be with every technique or are there techniques where you purposefully give uke his balance back halfway through to take it from him again in some other way?

In iriminage, the "aikido clothesline" as my brother calls it, when do you actually take uke's balance? Is it only when you reach behind him and down to throw him or is balance taken at the start like the other Aikido techniques?
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Old 04-06-2004, 05:57 AM   #2
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Interesting question - personally speaking I am sliding towards the opinion (haven't quite got there yet)that technique is there so that you can demonstrate your application of the principles, timing, distance, balance, in order to apply the technique. It is still necesary to apply the technique so that your Uke can practice his Ukemi, beside whilst it might be 'overkill' in the dojo. It might turn out to just right in a street situation.

As far as iriminage - I was taught that 'movement of the head defines movement of the body' - so that the part where you would take the balance is when you tilt Uke's head back. So that it's not supposted to be a clothesline at all.

Just my personal opinion.
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Old 04-06-2004, 08:14 AM   #3
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Quoting some excellent Shihan...

Tamura Sensei - "All techniques are kokyunage, some just have names..."

Fujimoto Sensei - (Something like) "O'sensei left these techniques, he said by practising them you would gain the spirit of Aikido"

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Old 04-06-2004, 10:20 AM   #4
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I've been thinking about the same question with regard to koteoroshi (our equivalent of kotagaeshi). Munetsuki koteoroshi is on my next test, and the group that will be testing has been practicing it with resistance. I can consistently get the throw to work against resistance, but it's a kokyunage--I'm not throwing uke by doing anything to his wrist. I can frequently annoy my training partners as uke by coming in close, getting my elbow under my wrist and regaining balance, and they find the throw difficult from this position.

I said to one of my sensei "This throw only really works as a kokyunage" and of course he asked me to demonstrate. He let me get into the balance-regained position from which I normally block it, and then took my fingertips straight into the mat, the rest of me naturally following. It was very convincing.

My conclusion from these experiments is that it's good to be able to throw by unbalancing, but it's also good to have options when this doesn't succeed. At higher levels uke has a lot of options for regaining his balance and trying to resist or reverse nage, and nage had better be prepared for them. You may also need the wrist technique if the initial attack was unusual, especially if it was too close to your body or you didn't have space for a good turn. When our dojo is crowded for a seminar the wrist part of koteoroshi increases in importance because that's all there's room to do.

Mary Kaye
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