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Old 12-19-2003, 10:32 AM   #26
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I prefer to think of it like generations, rather than like the Erdos number... but its the same concept... One of the benefits of Aikikai styles is that researching lineage is beyond simple. But if you study under one sensei (2nd generation), but he insists that his teacher does the testing, does that make you the same # as your teacher, or one generation later?

Not that it matters in the slightest. *grin*
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Old 12-19-2003, 10:52 AM   #27
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I have a Yale education. Does that mean I am any smarter than anyone else? No. It could mean my family had connections, I filled a quota, or I was good enough to get in but just did average work.

It does let someone know though what I may have been exposed to. Only my performance will indicate if I took advantage of those resources.

BTW - I didn't really go to Yale.
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Old 12-19-2003, 11:17 AM   #28
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Anyway, the Erdos number is a representation of how close you are to a paper published by Erdos. Mine is two, meaning that I published a paper with a guy who published a paper with him.
I grew up hearing a similar thing in budo. If you actually trained with someone for an apreciable amount of time you were considered to be "one arm's distance" from them. If your teacher that you spent considerable time with had done the same with XYZ teacher then you were two arm's distance from XYZ.

It seems a small thing to some, but I think it is an important measurement if the time spent at each arm's distance was quality time.

Safe and Joyful Holiday Season to All,

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Old 12-19-2003, 11:24 AM   #29
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Damn, going to have to leave this one for a couple of weeks just when it was getting good, have a good Christmas and New Year everyone.

Last few shots, Asim you're now directly linking sensei lineage with a dojo (ok, so so did me and John), but lineage in terms of a teacher is surely tied to the person, not the dojo which does muddy the waters.

John, have you any experience of a teacher who has been 'displaced' from the main dojo and did it affect their aikido? (person-place question basically)

[insert badly translated smug admonishment here]
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Old 12-19-2003, 11:45 AM   #30
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Ian - sorry if I gave that impression. Actually I'm not.

I feel that the linkage to the sensei is a reference to a particular style - not that you are good or bad at it ( in simplistic terms) - just that your are exposed to a particular teaching or method. The method may be great, the practitioner is another story.
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Old 12-19-2003, 12:05 PM   #31
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Ian:

John, have you any experience of a teacher who has been 'displaced' from the main dojo and did it affect their aikido? (person-place question basically)

Not sure exactly what you meant by displaced. I have studied under instructors that left of their own accord (sided with Tohei), left Tohei and then came back to the hombu. I have also studied under splinter groups: Tohei left, student was under one of his students who split then Tohei pissed off student who split.

As to whether it affected their aikido basics-I just can say it is different. I think they modified it. Either consciously or unconsciously.
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Old 12-30-2003, 07:33 PM   #32
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C.E. Clark (Chuck Clark) wrote:
I grew up hearing a similar thing in budo. If you actually trained with someone for an apreciable amount of time you were considered to be "one arm's distance" from them. If your teacher that you spent considerable time with had done the same with XYZ teacher then you were two arm's distance from XYZ.

It seems a small thing to some, but I think it is an important measurement if the time spent at each arm's distance was quality time.

Safe and Joyful Holiday Season to All,
chuck,this defies the logic of every sensei that ever gave me a hug
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Old 12-30-2003, 07:39 PM   #33
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chuck,this defies the logic of every sensei that ever gave me a hug
Mr. DeLucia,

I don't count hugs in my lineage, however, a couple of very well-known teachers in my lineage do give very good hugs. I treasure both the budo transmission and the hugs.

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