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Old 05-14-2003, 01:48 AM   #26
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Very interesting post (as usual), Abasan.
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Snipes is practising capoera. I didn't know they award dan grades.
They don't. They award cords in much the same way as kyu ranks.

Snipes practicing Capoeira? Wow (I used to practice Capoeira). Do you know how long he's been training? He didn't use any Capoeira in "Blade," IMO.
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Jet Li is a great martial artist. (actually for a swords movie, i prefer him in swordsman 2)
Jet Li rocks: and "Swordsman 2" is one of my favorite martial arts films. Tsui Hark at his best!

For star martial artist: Jet Li gets my vote.
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Jacky Chan is a great entertainer.
No argument here. I love watching his out-takes.

I just don't understand why no one came up with a "Zatoichi meets Yojimbo" idea for a movie with Jackie Chan fighting Jet Li.
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michele yeoh, a co star for jacky chan films (police story 3 if i'm not mistaken.).
Yep. My vote for her, as best female martial artist. She did a movie about an actress in the 20's, who killed herself over society gossip (not a martial arts film). Anyone remember the title?

Also, what about the minor actors in films, excellent martial artists themselves? Chuck Norris was an excellent martial artist, in his prime, and he played stunt roles in some Bruce Li films.

Also, I think about the Catwoman martial artist stunt-double in "Batman 2." Apparently, she was the #2 kickboxing champion (American, or world: I'm not sure). She was good.
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Old 05-14-2003, 02:10 AM   #27
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Jacky Chan. Smart and funny guy and doesnt pretend to be a badass. I am so tired of all the kids who think Bruce Lee or Steven Seagal are the toughest mofos on the planet because they beat up 50 actors in some movie that wasnt even funny...
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Old 05-14-2003, 03:41 PM   #28
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Does Christopher Lambert count? He was good in all the Highlander movies (didnt like 2 that much)

Don "the dragon" Wilson should of stayed to his tournaments.

I cant stand Cynthia Rothrock's movies....

Donnie Yen an okay actor, but he still has a long ways to go. same can be said with Adrian Paul.

Chuck Norris's films would be good if it wasnt only him against a whole army.

Steven Seagal is a good martial artist, but HE CANT ACT!

Angelina Jolie was great in "Original Sin". Awesome scene with her and Antonio Banderas, but not a martial artist.

Bruce Lee redefined MA films he was the best, but not my favorite.

Mark Dacascos was great in "Only the Strong", but that was about the only movie i have seen him in.

Brandon Lee could of been great, except for that tragic accident.

Jackie Chan is an awesome actor/martial artist, but i dont care for some of his recent work. (The Tuxedo) even though Jennifer Love Hewitt looked great.

I would have to go with Jet Li because he's he a great actor/martial artist that comes through most of the time. Besides "Fist of Legend" is one of the all time best MA films.

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Old 05-14-2003, 09:16 PM   #29
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I can't remember how long he practiced capoeira Nick. I read it in this martial arts journal sometime back, listing all the famous people and the arts they practiced. Some of them were pretty amazing because you least expect them to be martial artists.

Still, Snipes is pretty acrobatic... probably a side effect of capoeira. So why did you quit anyway? It looks like a lot of fun.

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Old 05-15-2003, 08:32 AM   #30
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I recently read that for Jet Li's last movie, Cradle 2 the Grave, fans were able to vote on his website for who they would most like to see him fight.

Mark Dacascos was the favorite by far. Wasn't a fantastic movie, but watching the two of them.... whew!

And he was just incredible in Brotherhood of the Wolf.

Someone mentioned DrunkenMaster 2.. I always wondered why Jackie Chan changed the ending when he re-released it as Legend of Drunken Master. It's still fun to watch my old copy in Cantonese with the Mandarin subtitles (neither of which I speak)!

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Old 05-15-2003, 11:41 AM   #31
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So why did you quit anyway? It looks like a lot of fun.
It is a lot of fun; but it's also very demanding. I did it for about 4 years but couldn't keep a consistent training routine with both Capoeira and Aikido at the same time.

I still jump in and play a roda (game), when I see one.

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Mark Dacascos was the favorite by far.

And he was just incredible in Brotherhood of the Wolf.
Yeah: Mark Dacascos is great: loved him in "Only the Strong" (probably the only full-blown Capoeira movie).

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Old 05-15-2003, 02:50 PM   #32
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What is "Brotherhood of the Wolf" about?

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Old 05-15-2003, 09:21 PM   #33
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What is "Brotherhood of the Wolf" about?
Le Pacte Des Loups (Brotherhood of the Wolf) was released in 2001 in France. Re-released in 2002 in the US. The "official" plot is something along the lines of:

In 18th century France, the Chevalier de Fronsac and his native American friend Mani are sent by the King to the Gevaudan province to investigate the killings of hundreds by a mysterious beast.

It's one part mystery/thriller + one part political intrigue + one part martial arts + one part cool special effects. (Dacostas plays the role of Mani.)

I highly recommend it.

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Old 05-15-2003, 09:58 PM   #34
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It's one part mystery/thriller + one part political intrigue + one part martial arts + one part cool special effects. (Dacostas plays the role of Mani.)

I highly recommend it.
Arrggg!!! Here French films are dubbed into - wait for it - Japanese. Both my Japanese and French are at the same level - terrible.

How much mind numbing dialog is there?

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Old 05-16-2003, 05:09 AM   #35
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Peter,
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Arrggg!!! Here French films are dubbed into - wait for it - Japanese. Both my Japanese and French are at the same level - terrible.

How much mind numbing dialog is there?
Too much, I'm afraid. Maybe you can find an english subtitled version out there, somewhere. Failing that, you could have someone buy/send you a region 1 copy from the US or Canada.

Mea Culpa,

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Old 05-16-2003, 06:37 AM   #36
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thanks

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Old 05-16-2003, 08:09 AM   #37
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Arrggg!!! Here French films are dubbed into - wait for it - Japanese. Both my Japanese and French are at the same level - terrible.

How much mind numbing dialog is there?
I would think that if you can find it on DVD, you should be able to choose language and subtitling options, no? If so, take the french language with English subtitles. We watched it both ways (kinky, huh?) and it just didn't seem to have the same appeal dubbed in English. I felt the same way about the dubbed version of Iron Monkey, too.

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Old 05-18-2003, 04:47 AM   #38
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I would think that if you can find it on DVD, you should be able to choose language and subtitling options, no? If so, take the french language with English subtitles. We watched it both ways (kinky, huh?) and it just didn't seem to have the same appeal dubbed in English. I felt the same way about the dubbed version of Iron Monkey, too.
I'm going to rent the video anyway but really, based on experience, if it a French or German film DVD will be the original language and Japanese. German I can deal with but French hurts.

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Old 05-18-2003, 07:05 AM   #39
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I've got the one with english subs. But not sure if you can use it though. But as all good sidekicks, he has to die in the end. Looks a lot like brandon too doesn't he?

Chinese movies dubbed in english? Urgh. Oh btw, a small trivia. In Iron Monkey, Wong Kei Yit or the visiting kung fu man who was tasked to fight the iron monkey is actually Wong Fei Hong's (From Once upon a time in China) father.

Just watched Matrix reloaded. Heheh... I wonder why no one is voting Keanu Reeves?

And Neil... wouldn't it be fun if instead of having to breakfall from a kotegaishi, you could actually somersault out of it... you know, cause of capoeira!

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Old 05-18-2003, 01:43 PM   #40
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I've got the one with english subs. But not sure if you can use it though. ....snipped..... Looks a lot like brandon too doesn't he?
Please don't spoil the movie for others who haven't seen it.
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Just watched Matrix reloaded. Heheh... I wonder why no one is voting Keanu Reeves?
Reeves is an actor who learned specific fight coreography for the movie, not a martial artist.

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Old 05-18-2003, 10:49 PM   #41
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And Neil... wouldn't it be fun if instead of having to breakfall from a kotegaishi, you could actually somersault out of it... you know, cause of capoeira!
You'd probably end up with a broken wrist if you tried, because you need that hand, to perform the sumersault. Especially as you're being thrown in the direction of the kotegaishi.

Just my opinion, but I don't think it's possible.

But, regarding capoeira and Aikido: I tried iriminage several times, in a roda. The results were quite explosive.

Oh, and I rented Yojimbo and Samurai Rebellion, this week, so I'd also have to vote Toshiro Mufune as greatest movie-swordsman.
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Old 05-20-2003, 08:28 AM   #42
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Sorry Paul. Kinda thoughtless of me.

Makes sense about the kotegaishi. I just wanted to dream thats all...

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Old 05-20-2003, 11:48 AM   #43
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Snipes is practising capoera.
I'd be surprised if that's all he's studied. He did a punch in one of his movies straight out of Shotokan.

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Old 05-20-2003, 01:08 PM   #44
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I love the look on John Wayne's face in the 'Barbarian and the Geisha' when he lands after being tossed by a hiza garuma. But that probably does not count as a MA movie.

The Sundance Channel has been showing the Zaitoichi movies and they are fun to watch

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Old 05-23-2003, 09:48 PM   #45
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Mifune in Yojimbo... it doesn't get much better than that for swordwork!
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Old 05-27-2003, 09:30 AM   #46
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Jackie Chan is my personal favorite. I like the humor in his movies, and the cleanness of his fighting style...and I believe Snipes practiced more than Capoeira. I heared that he has a number of 1st kyu's in quite some arts...don't ask me which ones though .

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Old 05-28-2003, 05:42 PM   #47
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Jackie Chan is my personal favorite. I like the humor in his movies, and the cleanness of his fighting style.
I've got to agree with Gerjan about Chan, I love his awesome ukemi as well.

The best scene however I think has to go to (odd as it sounds) the John Cusack/ Benney 'the Jet' Urquidez in Grosse Point Blank. I know not the most macho action movie. It didn't pretend to be spectacular, rather it was two guys, out of breath, trying to not be the one who wound up dead. They didn't look like they were following a choreographic script, I liked that.

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