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Old 11-14-2002, 06:55 AM   #26
rachmass
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I think one of the reasons that talking is discouraged in class is for the very reason that Wynad notes above; that of a beginner instructing another beginner.
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Old 11-14-2002, 11:12 AM   #27
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in the beginning

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In our dojo we have a fixed senior line and a rotating junior line. The senior student is expected to help the junior understand what is happening, help with the technique and keep the training rythme. Sometimes that requires more verbal, sometimes less. Sometimes the senior speaks too much, sometimes too little. It's a learning experience for both
That's exactly what I wanted to say, but you saved me the time and trouble of forming the words. This method of practice is especially useful if you have a large batch of beginners (20 or more) coming in periodically.

Nevertheless, I like to throw the higher-ranked students a bone and let them practice together at the end of each training session (about 30 minutes).

I also publicly thank the higher-ranked students for helping to teach the new students, lest good deeds go unapprecieated.

Also, I often demonstrate techniques using a beginner so that the higher-ranked students will see how to practice with a new student. (It's not about showing off right?)

There's a lot of talking, but it saves me an awful lot of trouble, and I'm quite amazed at how quickly everybody learns. It also gives the higher-ranked students a sense of value and gives them the opportunity to learn by teaching.
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Old 11-16-2002, 09:10 AM   #28
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I see the majority is leaning toward "seldom" - it would be interesting to know how many times people think they are getting corrected, for comparison.

I don't like correcting because I want to think about my own practice, not theirs. Unless it is my job for the class, which seldom happens
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Old 11-16-2002, 10:53 AM   #29
Ta Kung
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I don't like correcting because I want to think about my own practice, not theirs.
A bit too ego, I think. And besides, if someone had a great tip for you (who was more senior etc), wouldn't you like to hear it? And how much does it really distract you from your own training? A few seconds, tops.

/Patrik
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Old 11-27-2002, 08:44 AM   #30
acot
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At the Aikido Center of Tainan they do talk quite abit. a very chinese way in that although the teacher gets a lot of respect (often called superman in english cuz he is 68 years old running circles around the young guys).. Even as a white belt though I have been asked, "do you feel pain or presure" or "hai tong ma?" . I don't speak enough chinese to speak a lot, so I simple say yes or no.

Cheers.

ryan
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Old 11-27-2002, 09:49 AM   #31
Ron Tisdale
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Hi Barbara,

I tend to agree with you; unless I have been told it is my duty for the class to correct a partner, it does interupt my training to do so. I'm in kind of a wierd place right now regarding responsibility most of the time, so its not as simple as it used to be. But I think for most students, if you are training, you are not teaching. I know the 7th dan where I got my first kyu used to be pretty strict about that.

Actually, if both shite and uke pay close attention during practise, it is possible to pick up a lot from each other without talking at all. I try to focus on my partner in such a way as to lead a jr student through the technique as I understand it, and to follow a sr. student through the technique in the same way. No words are really necessary if I use the correct focus and intent.

Of course, different strokes for different folks, and different instructors might prefer a different method. I certainly wouldn't blame ego for your method.

Ron Tisdale

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