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Old 10-19-2014, 07:29 PM   #26
Join Date: Aug 2002
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Re: Training Thoughts?

Steve Pilling wrote: View Post
why is self defence a red herring? surely that is the point of making aikido techniques effective- otherwise we could just apply them ineffectively and still get the exercise and other benefits. It is just we would be doing more in the nature of dancing than a martial art.
As I said, a real attacker is very unlikely to just stand there and wait for you to do something. So your ability to execute a technique in the situation you describe is almost entirely irrelevant to your ability to apply aikido in a self-defense situation.

Which, by the way, is one reason why that type of ukemi is only useful in certain limited circumstances.

Edit: Yeah, what Janet and Mary said.

Also what Pauliina said. Verbal communication is often more effective in getting your point across.


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Old 10-21-2014, 03:24 AM   #27
Dojo: Aikido Kobukai
Location: Perth
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Re: Training Thoughts?

As a side note. These things that frustrate you will eventually go away. With time you will be able to adapt to anyone's style or method quickly. And of course, if like me you sometimes train in different styles and different dojos just go with whatever everyone else is doing. If you train for long enough, you can change easily.

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Old 10-27-2014, 10:28 AM   #28
ken king
Location: St. Louis, MO
Join Date: Aug 2005
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Re: Training Thoughts?

While OP's dojo mate does sound like a jerk, there are benefit's to training with guys like this. For example, it points out gaps in education. OP references uke blocking ikkyo, what about kuzushi? Did you take balance at all or are you allowing him to regain it? Are you allowing uke to clamp down on your wrist and plant his center before you move? Did you take uke's mind with atemi? Are you maintaining connection and intent from first contact? The throw is such a small part of a technique, what leads up to it is ultimately important and determines if it will be successful. I don't advocate being the resident budo jerk, but sometimes uncompliant uke are a gift in disguise by forcing us to rethink our methods. Besides, imagine how good it will feel once you can destroy this dude's structure and toss him around like a rag doll.
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