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Old 02-19-2014, 03:27 PM   #26
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I was once banned from the ice - yes its true banned from curling. I could say its why I started Aikido ....
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Old 02-19-2014, 05:58 PM   #27
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I was once banned from the ice - yes its true banned from curling. I could say its why I started Aikido ....
When they ban me from curling my lip it won't be anything to sneer at!

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Old 02-20-2014, 02:02 AM   #28
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When they ban me from curling my lip it won't be anything to sneer at!
True story - I kept dropping the rocks.

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Old 02-20-2014, 09:18 AM   #29
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True story - I kept dropping the rocks.
So they made you get your rocks off . . the ice.
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Old 02-20-2014, 10:07 AM   #30
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So they made you get your rocks off . . the ice.

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Old 03-02-2014, 02:42 PM   #31
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Aikido works great in self-defense. Your aikido doesn't work great in your past-self defense situations is all (totally using a cool sensei saying to make my point) , that's because it takes a long time to become proficient in all the variables of movement involved with aikido.

The striking arts start out with a much steeper, meaning quicker, learning curve for their techniques as they are relatively straightforward, one-body systems of movement vs. those of the grappling-based arts (in which aikido seems to fit) being a two-body system of movement, where one body is under the control of one person, while the other is under your control. Much harder to grip all those variables in a couple years training time.

If you want to quickly become proficient at schoolyard brawls, keep getting into fights, but you'd be safer to do them in a boxing gym, or hard-style karate school in which there are regular hard, near-full contact sparring sessions.

Or do competitive judo, that'll work too.

But, I wager that, unless you are a hard case, which I don't think you are due to the way you phrased the initial inquiry, you'll come around to the more cerebral approach of a softer style eventually. Or, like me, get tired of hitting things that hit back, LOL.

I find it interesting that the kanji character for kuzushi illustrates a mountain falling on a house.
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Old 07-15-2014, 03:20 AM   #32
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that's also what comes to my mind when I see most (not all) Aikido videos on the internet.. I've only found very few good video where the performing Aikidoka(s) at least seem to be able to apply Aikido as a martial art. one of them is this video.

as for myself, all my senseis have always taught me Aikido in a more martial way, not simply as an "Art".. he always told us not to be so close minded and that the basic techniques is not always what they seem to be. shomen-uchi techniques can also be applied for punches to the head, yokomen-uchi can be viewed as hook-punch or mawashi-geri, etc.. once he said to me that he's actually disappointed in how Aikido is being taught in most dojo nowadays.. perhaps it's because the modern world doesn't really need the martial side of Aikido so much anymore. most people who comes to train weren't really looking for the martial side, they just want to get some exercise.

Aikido (especially the fancy techniques) can be used in real martial/fight situation when we understand the essence, which can take decades. when applied in real martial situation, Aikido techniques might not come out as pretty as in the dojo. if you want a fast way to defend against real martial/fight situation, I suggest Krav Maga. since (afaik) the main point of Krav Maga is self-defense, while the main point of Aikido (not Aiki-jujutsu) is harmony, Krav Maga trainings is supposedly more practical..

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Old 07-15-2014, 03:44 AM   #33
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Hi Abdul,

when applied in real martial/fight situations, Aikido techniques usually don't come out as pretty and fancy as in the dojo. therefore, most locks CAN be countered, especially when not done and finished correctly. what kind of answer were you expecting from your sensei? if after explaining the fighting situation, your sensei can't give satisfactory solution (assuming you were asking for the correct way to apply the lock), then MAYBE he's only been training Aikido as an Art, not Martial Art.

usually we won't be able to apply Aikido techniques in real martial/fight situations after training for 2 years because our reflexes won't be good enough and we will only be able to think of complicated techniques to use. my seniors who gets into fights a lot told me that we don't need too much technique in an actual fight. he actually only had to use one-two techniques in most of his fights to KO his enemies (people on the street usually have little to no martial skills). he said that what's really important are the basics, like footwork, ma-ai, and controlling balance.

one of my Sensei always told us to have an open mind and not only see things as they appear. a shomen-uchi is just like a punch to the face, a yokomen-uchi is just like a hook-punch or mawashi geri, a katatedori is actually a response for previous attack (shomen-uchi, yokomen-uchi), etc..

IMHO, most people who say that they don't use Aikido in a fight because it's "too deadly", "a peaceful art", etc (but unable to do the techniques in dojo when attacked seriously by a person who don't practice Aikido) are either fooling themselves or afraid of fights or just incompetent.

you might want to check out this video. this is one of the very few Aikido video I found on the internet that shows Aikido in (as close as it gets) real martial/life situation with great quality techniques.

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Old 07-15-2014, 12:22 PM   #34
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you might want to check out this video. this is one of the very few Aikido video I found on the internet that shows Aikido in (as close as it gets) real martial/life situation with great quality techniques.
This video has nothing to do with martial situations. It is only demo choreography where ‘attacker follows the movements and allows nage to execute beautifully some techniques. Martial implies danger, otherwise it is nice healthy gymnastic.

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This video has nothing to do with martial situations. It is only demo choreography where ‘attacker follows the movements and allows nage to execute beautifully some techniques. Martial implies danger, otherwise it is nice healthy gymnastic.
Yep. Lovely demo. But a demo.

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Old 07-17-2014, 11:07 AM   #36
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For once totally agree with Szczepan, & not so unusually with Janet.
This is a demo - nicely done but a demo non the less. In a real situation Aikido is a messy, crude and dangerous affair.
Something like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLT7IqTQzJ0
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Old 07-17-2014, 12:05 PM   #37
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The reason why Aikido can be termed "deadly" is simply this, the locks and holds work, yet lets bear in mind that they are not always meant to be used as simple submission holds; yes that works in some situations, yet if someone is attacking you physically you may have no option but to use the technique in full and break someones joints or limbs, that is the final end move of several Aikido techniques... If you think as a novice or even intermediate Aikidoa you can over power and lock someone indefinatley, you are likely going to struggle, more so if its against multiple attackers where you have no choice but to render the first and second ones unconcious or with damaged joints / limbs so they are immobile.
The way it was explained to me is that the locks in aikido were originally intended to immobilize the person just long enough for nage to, say, draw a short sword and kill them. They were never intended to, say, hold the person until the police show up. For starters, in a multiple attacker situation you just don't have that kind of time.

Real situations aren't going to look like big, beautiful kihon waza, it's true. And it's true that it's probably not the art I'd pick if I wanted to be a professional fighter. (Although judo seems to be working pretty well for Ronda Rousey.) But ... Abdul, you said that sankyo worked for you against a pretty big guy, and you're only two years in. If you were to use that sankyo to smack him into a hard surface a couple of times, it wouldn't be long before you didn't have to worry much about fights at school any more. So what's the issue?

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Old 07-17-2014, 02:10 PM   #38
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This BS about aikido works or doesn't work is really tiresome. Any martial art is only as good as the person using it. If you are so worried that it won't work in a fight, then you need to train harder. I have been jumped at ATMs here in the States and over in Europe, used martial arts in Viet Nam, etc, etc. I am triple ranked so I can add whatever I need to at the time. Regardless, if you think your martial art doesn't work or is ineffective, then train harder. Train as though your life depends on it. One day it just might. Just because it doesn't work for you doesn't mean it doesn't work for someone else. So if you are dissatisfied with aikido, or any other martial, then take up video games.
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Old 07-19-2014, 10:48 PM   #39
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Thank you very much !
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Old 07-27-2014, 04:04 AM   #40
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Aikido is a system of martial practice. In my own opinion, it was intended to be the study of connection between human beings and humans and their environment. That said, I taught Aikido based Defensive Tactics to Police and Security folks for ten years and everything I taught was used on the street with real bad guys quite successfully. But it didn't look anything like class. It's a lot rougher and uglier. If you are interested in effective street application, you need to practice that way. Traditional Aikido provides a solid foundation but you have to take those principles and learn to apply them freely against people who don't know any ukemi. will break connection as soon as they don't like what is happening, will hit you any chance they get while you try to apply a technique, etc. Robert Koga, Bernie Lau, David Dye and many others used Aikido on the street but they all changed the training paradigm from the formalistic method we use for traditional practice. It just depends on what you want. In my opinion, too much focus on street application will prevent one from getting to the deepest levels of the art. You'll learn good tricks for prevailing but the kind of freestyle, oppositional practice required will be too chaotic to really isolate the most sophisticated principles of the art.

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