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Old 12-20-2013, 07:09 AM   #51
Demetrio Cereijo
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Well, I think people who wear dress shoes look silly. And ties -- what the hell are those things for anyway? And don't get me started on bow ties...
Damn hippies.


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Old 12-21-2013, 01:09 AM   #52
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Not necessarily, if you ask my own personal experience. Can be a matter of ergonomic acquaintance!
Without a belt under it, my hakama would just fly away each time my teacher throws me around. The only way to keep my hakama close to me is to tie it's belts around and through my inside belt. Tried all the other ways around and nothing works. Tying the hakama belts alone around my iliac bones creates pain than i cannot withstand.
So it always comes down to very personal somatic and psychic comfort, i reckon.
....This sounds strange and I don't know what health problem causes this. In most koryu and some modern budo like Kendo no one wears a rank belt. If it's a true koryu it does not use the dan system.
For Kendo we just have the dogi and hakama and no pants. It was the same when I trained in Shindo Muso Ryu Jodo.
I never heard of anyone in Aikido who could not keep a hakama on without louping through a rank belt. First time for everything. I assume you have seen a doctor for your painful condition. At least you can do Aikido. I wish you well on that painful condition.

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Old 12-23-2013, 07:11 AM   #53
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I never heard of anyone in Aikido who could not keep a hakama on without louping through a rank belt. First time for everything.
I guess there is, and a second, because this is also how I tie my hakama for aikido. In Shindo Muso there isn't any need, but in aikido it definitely helps keep things in place.
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Old 12-23-2013, 09:45 AM   #54
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I actually did the super scientific thing of actually paying attention the last time I went to a class full of yudansha and instructors. Most had the belts fairly well concealed inside the hakama (or none at all possibly). A few had bits and pieces sticking out. Me, it tends to stay under the hakama. However, I'll also admit to occasionally not bothering with the belt as the hakama works fine stand alone depending on what I'm doing. Sometimes if I'm teaching a simple weapons class going through some of our forms I'll leave it off. Other times I wear it. Heck, I've had time when I forgot my belt at home and worn one of the 8 zillion white belts that we have on the shelf. Or times I've forgotten the belt and worn no belt.

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Old 12-24-2013, 10:03 PM   #55
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I think this sums up the belt issue:


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Old 12-25-2013, 10:26 AM   #56
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I think this sums up the belt issue:
If you say so. But why is it an issue for you? Seriously, throughout this whole thread, all I've been able to think is, "Why is this a thing?"
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Old 12-25-2013, 04:42 PM   #57
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Mary, Must you take things so serious? I only asked if anyone else thought it was silly. The replies have been pretty good with people giving their take on this. My last post on this is just humour.

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Old 12-26-2013, 12:27 PM   #58
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Hm. Me so serious? Well, honestly, I'd have said this was a case of the pot calling the kettle black. I thought the simple fact of raising the question would indicate an unusual level of concern with the matter, but if you say otherwise, I take your word for it.
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Old 12-26-2013, 03:54 PM   #59
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Hm.the pot calling the kettle black.
Hehehe I like that one!
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Old 12-26-2013, 08:30 PM   #60
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It was a simple question. It got some not so simple replies. Sometimes people think to much about the question and not enough about the answers. It was not meant to be so deep.

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Old 01-15-2014, 09:17 AM   #61
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Re: Belts sticking out

I like the question :-)
I remember in Iwama that Saito Sensei was not happy with the people coming from other dojos with their belts sticking out.
I have also heard Isoyama Sensei speak about matters concerning proper dojo attire. He is very strict about not having your sleeves rolled up, making sure that your hakama straps do not hang down in front and in general making sure that you are properly dressed. He makes a point about if you buy a suit, you make sure to have it fit so that the length of the sleeves is correct, the pants' length fits as well and so on. He says that your aikido apparel should be considered in the same manner.
Now in Denmark, the other large group of dojos is in the Nishio Sensei lineage, and Nishio Sensei wore his belt with the ends out - as someone posted a picture of. This group abides by the traditions that Nishio Sensei stood for, and that is the way it should be. To each his own. I believe you should follow the guidelines of your Sensei, just as in regard to everything else, be it technique, reigi etc.

Now, how about the question of the camouflague hakamas... ;-)
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Old 01-15-2014, 11:26 AM   #62
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I like the question :-)

Now, how about the question of the camouflague hakamas... ;-)
Actually, I've seen one. A certain person in Concord California has been known to sport one on occasion. Damned silly if you ask me but I think that is the response he was gong for.

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