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Old 01-26-2013, 12:27 PM   #351
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Re: What technique would you apply to neutralize Brazilian Jujitsu attacker

It is unlikely that do jime was being attempted. If uke was on his back with his legs apart towards tori who was standing (to enable a kick to the groin to take place), then all uke was most likely attempting was guard position and possibly a sweep. Even locked guard is not necessarily do jime. It's pretty hard to get a submission with do jime when uke is facing tori and tori is standing. The counter is daki age (body slam).

The Brazilian wax job counter won't work on a Brazilian.
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Old 07-04-2013, 04:23 PM   #352
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Re: What technique would you apply to neutralize Brazilian Jujitsu attacker

On trying to come up with the way to make the story about helio's action work...

There is that one way (which I consider a method for the BJJ learning disabled to pull guard), which is the front attack where tori (not for long in that role), with some hold/grip on uke (standard kumikata will work, as would a standard underhook and head clasp, and then they literally jump from the ground and assume the guard posture on the standing "uke."

Yes, if uke's posture is competent, uke immediately becomes tori for daknage. Translated, I jump in your lap and try to squeeze ya to death or submission with my ultra-powerful thigh squeeze, but you just hoist me, since the mechanical advantage is in your favor (unless good kuzushi, I suppose) and dump with impetus on my back, if you're a nice guy. Neck/head if you're irritated.

I find it interesting that the kanji character for kuzushi illustrates a mountain falling on a house.
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Old 07-12-2013, 09:54 PM   #353
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Re: What technique would you apply to neutralize Brazilian Jujitsu attacker

I'd just choke the guy out.
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Old 07-14-2013, 05:55 AM   #354
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I'd just choke the guy out.
You would need to be highly skilled at chokes if you want to choke out an experienced BJJ practitioner.
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Old 09-03-2013, 05:01 PM   #355
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Re: What technique would you apply to neutralize Brazilian Jujitsu attacker

From standing, has anyone said palm-heel strike to the chin yet? Lot of straight BJJ guys will telegraph their shot. From guard, sometimes you can roll for kimura and come up with 2nd control, if you're in a gym that allows it. Or wherever.
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Old 10-03-2013, 01:05 AM   #356
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Re: What technique would you apply to neutralize Brazilian Jujitsu attacker

The "boasting", as OP put it, of some BJJ practitioners happens because BJJ has a long and well-documented history of making fools out of martial artists who don't know how to fight on the ground. If you want to defend yourself against a BJJer, you need to practice two things:
1) Keeping your feet against someone who knows how to properly use BJJ-style takedowns, and
2) Defending yourself on the ground against BJJ-style grappling.

Needless to say, these are not things you'll get to practice much in most aikido dojos.

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Old 10-17-2013, 02:23 PM   #357
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BJJ guys aren't particulary good at takedowns. IMO a wrestler is far more dangerous. I'll practise a sort of sprawl
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Old 10-18-2013, 11:01 AM   #358
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Re: What technique would you apply to neutralize Brazilian Jujitsu attacker

Saying BJJers are not good at takedowns..as compared to what....an Aikidoka or a novice? it is relative for sure!

Alot of BJJers are pretty decent at takedowns. Many are former wrestlers, and many are judoka. Although I agree that many BJJ schools neglect to practice takedowns. What is more important is not that a BJJer is technically good at takedowns, but they are pretty darn good at luring you in to a clinch, getting a hold of you and then getting you down to the ground. Sprawling is a good thing to practice and agree it is very useful.

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Old 10-18-2013, 12:05 PM   #359
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Re: What technique would you apply to neutralize Brazilian Jujitsu attacker

Apply the technique of training grappling in ground and clinch situations against someone that knows what they're doing.
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Old 10-20-2013, 09:37 PM   #360
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The main problem with the question is the fact that Aikido is aimed at fights with weapons, (wrist grabs etc) while bjj is related to an empty hand, (close contact and grabbing the body). When I used to practice bjj I used to apply many wrist locks but since the game was different it had to be adjusted to the new circumstances. So my conclusion - in a fight, pull a blade on the bjj practitioner, drive him away and if he dare grabs your wrist in the process - well, we all know what to do next. Otherwise learn bjj to fight bjj situations.
"Dont bring a knife to a gun fight"
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Old 10-20-2013, 10:00 PM   #361
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I've been training in BJJ for a little more than a year now, (I started because it was close to home and easier than advertising and getting enough people to come and do aikido with me in a little town in northern VT, I'm sticking with it for those reasons, plus I'm having fun, and its a great group of guys.)

Frankly, in aikido we don't train against the kind of attacks that a BJJ player will use..

To get a sense of what you're up against, imagine what technique you would use if someone threw a net over you (and since you're a martial artist, might as well imagine that net is covered with pitch or glue, a
and has lots of little barbed fishhooks sewn into it). Gadi is on the right track, but remember that BJJ does train against knife attacks too...
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Old 10-21-2013, 07:00 AM   #362
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I'd have the circus ponies trample him to death. Works every time.
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Old 10-21-2013, 07:38 AM   #363
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The whole time I'm reading this thread I'm thinking "Glock at 30 feet away". But now I'm worried, what if I hit a circus pony? I mean, geez, no one wants to shoot a circus pony. It's a *Pony* and that's just wrong.

Man, gotta reconsider my entire training strategy now.


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Old 10-21-2013, 10:34 AM   #364
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Re: What technique would you apply to neutralize Brazilian Jujitsu attacker

Um...what? Everyone knows that ponies are the first ones that will steal your apples or sugar cubes. Sneaky little thieves. In fact, the pony probably is in cahoots with the BJJ'er. Can't trust the lot of them.

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Old 10-21-2013, 12:35 PM   #365
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Re: What technique would you apply to neutralize Brazilian Jujitsu attacker

All I'm saying is that you have to beware of both lava and glass when on the ground
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Old 10-21-2013, 01:20 PM   #366
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All I'm saying is that you have to beware of both lava and glass when on the ground
And syringes.

Unless you are one of these AIDS denialists.... but that's another story.

On topic. I neutralize BJJ attackers with the Spanish Inquisition. They never expect that.

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Old 10-21-2013, 01:22 PM   #367
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Re: What technique would you apply to neutralize Brazilian Jujitsu attacker

I hate circus ponies! hate em! they have this cute smug look on their faces as the prance around with there pretty manes and shiny reins. They really think they are something else! Kinda reminds me of a bjjer in his $300.00 Lucky Gi it does!

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Old 10-21-2013, 01:51 PM   #368
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And syringes.

Unless you are one of these AIDS denialists.... but that's another story.

On topic. I neutralize BJJ attackers with the Spanish Inquisition. They never expect that.
NOT THE COMFY PILLOW AND CHAIR!!!!
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Old 10-21-2013, 05:39 PM   #369
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And syringes.

Unless you are one of these AIDS denialists.... but that's another story.

On topic. I neutralize BJJ attackers with the Spanish Inquisition. They never expect that.
What about BJJ attackers armed with fresh fruit? Release the tiger?
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Old 10-21-2013, 06:48 PM   #370
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What about BJJ attackers armed with fresh fruit? Release the tiger?
Martial Feng Shui is the most appropiate. It consists in throwing furniture at them (chairs, coffe tables, lamps, chaises longes, wimminz....) until harmony is restored, universal chi flows according to heavenly laws, filial piety is respected and ancestors are properly revered.

Orangutans are useful too... they like fruit.

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Old 10-21-2013, 09:28 PM   #371
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People generally get more peaceful and harmonious when they're unconscious, as they tend to be after forceful application of chairs, coffee tables, lamps, chaises longes AND wimminz to the head.
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Old 10-21-2013, 11:13 PM   #372
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Someone has to...

NOBODY expects the Spanish Inquisition! Amongst our weaponry are such diverse elements as: fear, surprise, ruthless efficiency, an almost fanatical devotion to the Pope, and nice red uniforms - Oh damn!

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Old 10-22-2013, 05:33 AM   #373
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Someone has to...

NOBODY expects the Spanish Inquisition! Amongst our weaponry are such diverse elements as: fear, surprise, ruthless efficiency, an almost fanatical devotion to the Pope, and nice red uniforms - Oh damn!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vt0Y39eMvpI

Having watched it through now - it's one I hadn't seen - "Tie her to the RACK"

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Old 10-22-2013, 11:18 AM   #374
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vt0Y39eMvpI

Having watched it through now - it's one I hadn't seen - "Tie her to the RACK"
Um, can we stick to martial themes here?

How to defend yourself against fresh fruit:
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Old 10-23-2013, 09:52 AM   #375
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Re: What technique would you apply to neutralize Brazilian Jujitsu attacker

You guys are funny, and I'm enjoying some nice chuckles.
There's a deeper question though: what do you do when you don't get a 'clean' attack? When you're facing 'death b by a thousand cuts' rather than 'one strike, one kill'? How do you apply aikido principals and/or techniques in that circumstance?

Certainly going right to the center is one of our textbook answers, and the glock or knife fits that model. Distraction, redirection, surprise, unbalancing via conventional or unconventional methods, (circus ponies, goofballs in red uniforms)...OK, I guess you guys are dead on the mark after all.
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