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Old 07-25-2013, 07:12 PM   #26
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I like the approach as it speaks to the best of all things you'd want in budo practice. I think the details will matter the most in how they get implemented. Grabbing in a way that produces kuzushi - there's some very specific and discrete skills you need to develop that go beyond raw muscle or frame (or timing, or intention, or or or . . ). Being mindful of openings is yet another skill that I think is potentially learned best in settings such as weapons kata (with people that know how to use them) or in more pugilistic arts such as boxing, contact karate, etc. Then there's the optimal shapes of a technique along the geospatial patterns of you and another person - whole host of opportunities to go off on a tangent of varying degrees of worth.

Not at all trying to killjoy as I agree a lot with what Ledyard Sensei writes - I just think that the proper attention (and in some cases definition and parameter mapping) needs to be given with how those details are fleshed out, otherwise it can easily become another case of "I like this idea or notion, so I will do it, too" and people assume the perspective of doing a thing just as easily as they assume that they are in fact doing a thing. Yes, aikido absolutely SHOULD include all of those things, so how SHOULD it be articulated and quantified in a way that they 1) Objectively do 2) Are systematically transmitted 3) Map visibly to the form and shape of what would be recognized as aikido?
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Old 07-26-2013, 12:43 PM   #27
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Re: The Role of Uke in Aikido Training

All seems a bit overanalyzed to me. Uke...nage. One attacks and one takes and handles the attack.

STATIC......BEING HELD.

All can be learned here.....it's harder than in motion if done properly. So it starts with how to hold.

To hold properly eg: hold the wrist, then you should be able to say to the nage they are free to try anything and at the same time be able to be nage yourself as they start.

Therefor if not 100% correct then the nage will find themself being uke.

This is not the same as 'stopping nage'. It's active. It's aikido.

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Old 07-26-2013, 01:09 PM   #28
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Graham, with all the time babies are spent being held in a static fashion, why doesn't everyone already have amazing aikido skills?
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Old 07-26-2013, 01:35 PM   #29
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Graham, with all the time babies are spent being held in a static fashion, why doesn't everyone already have amazing aikido skills?
Babies aren't being uke or nage for that matter. Although the mother usually has good kokyu.

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Old 07-26-2013, 02:00 PM   #30
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So there are additional parameters to being uke or nage then, maybe, other than being held?
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Old 07-26-2013, 02:11 PM   #31
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So there are additional parameters to being uke or nage then, maybe, other than being held?
Yeah, there's being jumped on, thrown at, fly kicked...and on and on. But all irrelevant to what I said. All exists in static. Hold properly. Actively. It's all there right where you are.

There are many 'perameters' and many principles, but there you are, willing and able to be both uke and nage.

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Old 07-26-2013, 03:20 PM   #32
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I'm willing to become independently wealthy as well as be uke and nage. Any day now....
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