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Old 07-15-2013, 03:06 AM   #26
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Hi Carsten

With respect, you do seem to be making hard work of a simple question.

I took Mary's post as no more than a light hearted `question`, that is why I simply answered " Self-Defence" . If anyone asks me " what is Aikido ? " I keep it simples - that is my basic answer, followed by an invitation to visit the dojo and watch a class.

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Old 07-15-2013, 03:27 AM   #27
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Hi Carsten

With respect, you do seem to be making hard work of a simple question.

I took Mary's post as no more than a light hearted `question`, that is why I simply answered " Self-Defence" . If anyone asks me " what is Aikido ? " I keep it simples - that is my basic answer, followed by an invitation to visit the dojo and watch a class.

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Hello Henry,

I hope you are well.

By chance, this was the name (in Japanese) that we chose for an aikido course in the culture centre where I instruct. We have two courses and we could not use the same name for both, so we chose 護身術, or goshinjutsu, which in the dictionary is given as the art of self-defence.

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Old 07-15-2013, 05:02 AM   #28
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Hello Henry,

I hope you are well.

By chance, this was the name (in Japanese) that we chose for an aikido course in the culture centre where I instruct. We have two courses and we could not use the same name for both, so we chose 護身術, or goshinjutsu, which in the dictionary is given as the art of self-defence.

Best wishes,

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Hi Peter
I am reasonably well despite the insurmountable odds.

Always refreshing to read your to the point responses. I am often amazed at the lengthy academic essays on Aikiweb to what is often a simple question on Aikido.

It makes me appreciate my early teachers who trained us hard without the need of sitting in a circle listening to lengthy lectures on love and harmony.

I am now even starting to appreciate my early formative years sitting daily in bomb shelters rather than being over educated. The common sense and strict discipline of those early years appear to have served me rather well in my life.
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Old 07-15-2013, 06:09 AM   #29
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... you do seem to be making hard work of a simple question.
Yup. That's me ... definitely ...
"Stop thinking!" as my wife uses to say ...

Here in Germany "Self Defense" is a specific branch of the MA. There schools for aikidō, MMA, Taekwondo ... , Self Defense, ... .
Self Defense is characterized by preemptive action and "ultimate effectivity": They explicetly teach how to destroy an attacker.

I've been teaching kind of self-protection or assertiveness training for some years in my job. It was based on my aikidō. And it was important to assure, that I don't teach Self Defense. Because the gyu who did the course before had done so and had taught too brutal things to our colleagues.
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Old 07-15-2013, 06:18 AM   #30
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Well,
I'd go with Henry and Peter here and no need to contradict Mary or Ron.
Lots of common sense and free spirit.
Always good, to my mind.

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Old 07-15-2013, 06:27 AM   #31
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Now that's what I talking about, Carsten...who knew what self- defense meant where you are from....

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Old 07-15-2013, 06:33 AM   #32
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Self Defense is characterized by preemptive action and "ultimate effectivity": They explicetly teach how to destroy an attacker.
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Carsten

Now you are talking good old Aikido - no luvvies - no ribbon dancing - no breathing through ones toes - no touch throws with a nod of the head which is bad for uke if tori has a twitch.

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Old 07-15-2013, 11:47 AM   #33
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I think Henry Ellis and Peter Goldsbury make very good points in the sense that "self-defense" is how one could best describe aikido if somebody asked them to describe "aikido" in their native tongue or in layman's terms. I've seen "self-defense" used to describe aikido in various books and dojo websites; sometimes they use "self-protection" which has spiritual connotations. Pretty much any MA could be taught, or at least marketed, as a personal self-defense method, so nothing unusual about that. I personally see "self-defense" as a broad term with different applications depending on context: anything from western boxing and grappling systems, to CMA, to combatives and krav maga; even iaijutsu was adequate self-defense some place and at some point in history.

I personally don't have straight or simple response when people ask me what aikido is. Sometimes I say something like "umm, it's like judo, with throws and stuff, and some wrist locks, but without competitions (not true of all styles I know)". Doesn't sound very appealing I know. Sometimes I say "arms-length grappling with sword attacks", to differentiate from the closer range grappling of judo and bjj, and to emphasize that the traditional aikido attacks come from sword/weapons culture. In fact technically speaking, Daito ryu and koryu jiujutsu aside, kogusoku (semi-armored grappling) is the closest thing I've seen to standard aikido fare. Maybe I should answer "aikido is like kogusoku but without skewering the attacker" Wait, what? .
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Old 07-15-2013, 03:57 PM   #34
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distance judo

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Old 07-15-2013, 06:51 PM   #35
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Aiki = united states

The name of my organization: United States of ..., wait, that one's taken.
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Old 07-15-2013, 11:43 PM   #36
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... no breathing through ones toes ...
I've become one of those "breathing through ones toes (actually it's the sole of the front foot)"-type over the years.
It's refreshing.

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Old 07-16-2013, 12:54 AM   #37
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I've become one of those "breathing through ones toes (actually it's the sole of the front foot)"-type over the years.
It's refreshing.
Carsten

I assume you wear special wooly socks for these techniques ?

To be honest nothing in the name of Aikido surprises me anymore - Aikido to music - wooly hats - Aikido with multi-coloured ribbons - teachers asking students to bring apples to the dojo so they can knock them off each others heads with their Ki - Ki teachers that can knock students off their feet from a distance of 20 feet with a ``Ki Blast `` maybe he was wearing your socks ????

I actually did have a student join my dojo, he said his teacher had said that in the next lesson he was going to teach them to breath through their toes - he decided it was time to move on.

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Old 07-16-2013, 06:32 AM   #38
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... he said his teacher had said that in the next lesson he was going to teach them to breath through their toes - he decided it was time to move on.
Sure! As I said: It's the soles! Not the toes.

Nobody can breath through their toes! How should that be possible???
... through the toes ... some are really mad ... or charlatans ...
I would have left that teacher too.

hehehe somewhere in a video Endo sensei talks about how to be, talks about breathing through one's heels, want's to show ... suddenly halts everything! ... "Ahem ... not that there are really any respitory organs in our feet!" And looks around interrogativly as if he wanted to say "Everybody knows that?"

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Old 07-16-2013, 09:00 AM   #39
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i have been ordering a dozen of donuts and a dozen of donut holes. i am trying to see which donut holes fit into which donuts. so far no luck. so i have to try again and again. i am sure that eventually i will find the hole that fit into the donut. so in my language, aikido is the way to fit donut holes into donuts, with a cup of coffee on the side to help smooth thing out.

zen koan: if a donut without hole appeared and nobody noticed, would it still be there when one does? or is it a Heisenberg, where one can either have the donut or observe, but not both?

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Old 07-16-2013, 11:05 AM   #40
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That would be Schrödinger's Donut.........
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Old 07-16-2013, 11:48 AM   #41
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zen koan: if a donut without hole appeared and nobody noticed, would it still be there when one does?
In Canada this is called a Boston Cream and it is DELICIOUS.
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Old 07-17-2013, 01:05 PM   #42
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That would be Schrödinger's Donut.........
i thought Schrodinger's Donut involved putting a cat inside a donut box to see if it would still alive or dead or really pissed off.

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Old 07-18-2013, 03:57 PM   #43
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i thought Schrodinger's Donut involved putting a cat inside a donut box to see if it would still alive or dead or really pissed off.
Depends if you had left the donut in there too.............
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Old 07-18-2013, 08:50 PM   #44
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Why don't you all start a new thread for your humorous exchange?

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