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Old 11-26-2012, 09:42 PM   #26
Lorel Latorilla
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Re: Sometimes you just gotta be honest

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Dear Lorel,
All of these things you state above are related to martial ways.You can have these in abundance , but if imo these factors are all you have and you have no moral , spiritual or ethical dimensions to your life you are in my opinion less than you could be.Regardless how good anyone is at a particular discipline , some where some place there is someone who is faster , stronger and skilled than you.Even if you are indeed the best man around the fact is that you will decline in time.The grave awaits us all.
I have been taught by absolute beginners many truths about life.It is my contention that my own personal aikido development is a combination of tuition by my own teacher and others coupled with interactions by everyone I have ever met on the tatami and in a social environment.You can acquire wisdom for example by talking to a drunk guy in a bar.Refining and enhancing ones own character development I feel is more important than being the 'fastest gun in the west'.
Cheers, Joe
Alright then. I guess the people that gave their testimony are just mighty impressed by his skills, especially as they are related to aikido skills.

Unless stated otherwise, all wisdom, follies, harshness, malice that may spring up from my writing are attributable only to me.
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Old 11-26-2012, 11:36 PM   #27
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Dear Lorel,
All of these things you state above are related to martial ways.You can have these in abundance , but if imo these factors are all you have and you have no moral , spiritual or ethical dimensions to your life you are in my opinion less than you could be. Refining and enhancing ones own character development I feel is more important than being the 'fastest gun in the west'.
Cheers, Joe
Did these things become mutually exclusive at some point? Or is just convenant to insinuate you cannot possess power, skill, character and heart together?
Dan
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Old 11-27-2012, 05:32 AM   #28
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Did these things become mutually exclusive at some point? Or is just convenant to insinuate you cannot possess power, skill, character and heart together?
Dan
Dear Dan
I am not suggesting anything of the sort.Of course you can possess the attributes of skill, power, character and also have the attributes I mentioned.I am just saying that fighting skills acquisition as far as I am concerned is not the be all and end all.You in common with everyone will physically degenerate , but in other non physical ways you have the ability to improve .If I did not make my point clearly I apologise for this.I trust you are well? Cheers, Joe
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Old 11-27-2012, 07:20 AM   #29
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Mr Dan Harden,

Beauty is in the "Eye" of the beholder(maybe some need a little "aiki" in their eye)...Thank you Mr Harden for being you. For the many hours of posts here and elsewhere, and a possible direction for research and training. Be well.

Take Care,

ChrisW

PS Keep your hands and feet to yourself, unless your trying to be beautiful...!!! :0)
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Old 11-27-2012, 11:29 AM   #30
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Dear Dan
I am not suggesting anything of the sort.Of course you can possess the attributes of skill, power, character and also have the attributes I mentioned.I am just saying that fighting skills acquisition as far as I am concerned is not the be all and end all.You in common with everyone will physically degenerate , but in other non physical ways you have the ability to improve .If I did not make my point clearly I apologise for this.I trust you are well? Cheers, Joe
Yes. But even broaching the topic in a thread that is singular to an individual on an international forum, without qualifiers, is rather a faux pax and can be viewed as either a tad ignorant, or sly.

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Yes but you know, it doesn't matter how good he is at repairing shoes, some business men are just scurrilous and you don't know what their family history is.....


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You never know what you may get against the stereotypical models. It has been my experience that you find grace and truly grand hearts in surprising people. A couple of the roughest, and frankly frightening people I have known, and in other cases some of the toughest and hard bitten people I have know, had been the most endearing, and as it turned out...enduring... long term supportive people I have known.

Interestingly, I have also known the sweet, PC correct, tender people, who turned out to be shallow and self serving, and frankly warm weather friends. And some of the most intellectual, while being entertaining-sometimes I wonder who they entertained more others or themselves- had hearts of stone, and were convenient friends.
Life is full of surprises and the true quality of people is not always gleaned from casual overviews and encounters. Some people are subtle, surprisingly complex, rich, fun, and you should never trust them. Some are all of the above and the best friends you could ever have...and so on and so on. You get the idea.
Dan
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Old 11-27-2012, 05:45 PM   #31
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Yes. But even broaching the topic in a thread that is singular to an individual on an international forum, without qualifiers, is rather a faux pax and can be viewed as either a tad ignorant, or sly.

Example:
Post:
I really like Tom Thumb, he is the best cobbler I ever met.
Response:
Yes but you know, it doesn't matter how good he is at repairing shoes, some business men are just scurrilous and you don't know what their family history is.....

_____________________________________

You never know what you may get against the stereotypical models. It has been my experience that you find grace and truly grand hearts in surprising people. A couple of the roughest, and frankly frightening people I have known, and in other cases some of the toughest and hard bitten people I have know, had been the most endearing, and as it turned out...enduring... long term supportive people I have known.

Interestingly, I have also known the sweet, PC correct, tender people, who turned out to be shallow and self serving, and frankly warm weather friends. And some of the most intellectual, while being entertaining-sometimes I wonder who they entertained more others or themselves- had hearts of stone, and were convenient friends.
Life is full of surprises and the true quality of people is not always gleaned from casual overviews and encounters. Some people are subtle, surprisingly complex, rich, fun, and you should never trust them. Some are all of the above and the best friends you could ever have...and so on and so on. You get the idea.
Dan
Dear Dan, I entirely agree that you can find 'gold' in the most unlikely places. I also know that all that glitters is not 'gold'.Like you I have been fortunate to have met some rough diamonds who are life long friends as opposed to mere acquaintances.Cheers, Joe
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Old 02-05-2013, 09:17 AM   #32
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Yes, Dan is the best martial artist i have ever met.

I have been doing the IP/aiki now almost 2 years and what i can see now a little bit is the incredible amount of effort, dedication and time Dan has invested to get where he is at the moment.

Shugyo
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Old 02-05-2013, 09:47 AM   #33
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Exactly. My motto lately was one I had put on a t-shirt years ago. I'm wearing it again. Damatte Keikoshiro. I've got a long way to go. I see progress and visiting with Dan reminded me again of how long the path is ahead. Arguing here is pointless. Training is where it's at. Or as a great old lady once yelled my way... "Words, words, words! Blah." Loved that. Later.

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Old 02-06-2013, 12:42 PM   #34
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Yes, Dan is the best martial artist i have ever met.

I have been doing the IP/aiki now almost 2 years and what i can see now a little bit is the incredible amount of effort, dedication and time Dan has invested to get where he is at the moment.

Shugyo
Well,
A rose is a rose is a rose and Dan is Dan is….and what he serves, apparently the real thing.

I suppose, if Dan ever stopped his training he might be easier to keep up with, but as he obviously never stops, …….

What really counts is that you see some improvement in the achievement of the objectives he and you have set out for, at least a beginning of it. Two years isn't really that little time, if well spent.

So you see some progress, don't you? I guess, Dan would like to see this.

And you would make you the envy of me.
(Because, sometimes you just gotta be honest)

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Old 02-07-2013, 03:41 AM   #35
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Well,
A rose is a rose is a rose and Dan is Dan isกฤ.and what he serves, apparently the real thing.

I suppose, if Dan ever stopped his training he might be easier to keep up with, but as he obviously never stops, กฤกฤ.

What really counts is that you see some improvement in the achievement of the objectives he and you have set out for, at least a beginning of it. Two years isn't really that little time, if well spent.

So you see some progress, don't you? I guess, Dan would like to see this.

And you would make you the envy of me.
(Because, sometimes you just gotta be honest)
Well.... I see!!

I am pushing against him for two years now and I can tell you.... He is getting more and more stable and can handle more and more force.

Drop by some day! Germany the Netherlands is not that far.

Regards
Robert van Heukelum
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